Yanick Lehoux is a bad example. He was a late 3rd round pick that just happened to produce in junior after his draft year (see Jordan Weal)
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Yanick Lehoux is a bad example. He was a late 3rd round pick that just happened to produce in junior after his draft year (see Jordan Weal)
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do people just not understand the difference between being 17 years old and being 20 years old in the Q
So Lafrenier to Phoenix...somehow. Gotcha.
Pretty smooth operator in close though. I like his play in traffic sofar.
Pretty smooth operator in close though. I like his play in traffic sofar.
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Every year around this time people forget that intense practice and experience over multiple years worth of time + meaningful physical growth into adulthood provide real advantages.
There's certainly draft-eligible players that scored a ton in the Q without panning out. Gamache, Abid, Daigle... Sometimes it's because the player is skilled, but too small and too slow for the NHL. Sometimes the player doesn't have the work ethic. Sometimes he's just being carried by better older teammates. It's not unique to the Q either (see Corey Locke in the OHL). Plus most of these players played when scoring in the Q was much higher, so their numbers look better than they were.
Regardless, Lafrenière has none of these red flags. It would be very surprising if he didn't wind up making an impact at the NHL level. For comparison, Lafrenière's scoring pace over the whole season would give him more points than any player, of any age, has had in the Q since Radulov in 06. And even that was during the post-lockout season, when players were adapting to the new rules and refs were given out twice as many PPs as now. Laf is definitely the best player in the Q since Crosby.
That's mostly because there's less Canadian prospects than ever before, as teams are looking more and more to Europe and the US. Over the last decade, the number of draftees from the Q has slightly dropped, but draftees from the OHL and WHL dropped even more. IMO the Q is in a better place than 15-20 years ago.
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The more i see the more i like the kid. Quite often the shine wears off a little once you've seen enough of these youngsters that their moves/tendencies start to become somewhat predictable but you never know what Lafreniere is going to pull out of his bag of tricks.
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Really scary situation in the WJC game today, looked to have suffered a significant knee injury, really hope he’s ok.
My extremely uneducated self - I think that looks like a high ankle sprain, almost similar to what Marner had, he was out 6 weeks IIRC
I am a physician here in the USA. I saw the incident with Laf.
I could not slow it down more than they already did, and I could not rewind, but it looked like a MCL sprain or tear (and if it's a tear it's basically both).
Unfortunately, the ACL is also a secondary stabilizer to stresses of valgus and helps anchor the knee joint during any rotation movements (limiter).
I don't want everyone to just think it's the worst, though. You just don't know until the MR is done. I've seen people in extreme pain, only to find out they have a sprain/strain injury.
I say all of this as he was holding his knee.
This could also be an ankle injury- but again, from the replay that I could not replay myself, his ankle seemed to be the lever not the item that was injured. His skate got stuck at the pads it seemed, but the ankle didn't itself seem to move much, but the knee instead.
Again, I could be wrong here.
I could not slow it down more than they already did, and I could not rewind, but it looked like a MCL sprain or tear (and if it's a tear it's basically both).
Unfortunately, the ACL is also a secondary stabilizer to stresses of valgus and helps anchor the knee joint during any rotation movements (limiter).
I don't want everyone to just think it's the worst, though. You just don't know until the MR is done. I've seen people in extreme pain, only to find out they have a sprain/strain injury.
I say all of this as he was holding his knee.
This could also be an ankle injury- but again, from the replay that I could not replay myself, his ankle seemed to be the lever not the item that was injured. His skate got stuck at the pads it seemed, but the ankle didn't itself seem to move much, but the knee instead.
Again, I could be wrong here.
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What? Your acting like serious leg injuries dont drop draft stock...ask Krebs, Barzal, Connolly...
I'm not saying it won't hurt - I'm saying you don't need to be happy that 18 year old kid may have been seriously hurt because now your guy might go first
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Absolutely nothing worse in sports than crap like that. So unfortunate.
Cant stand talented guys doing down before their career starts, much less before their draft year.
Cant stand talented guys doing down before their career starts, much less before their draft year.
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My first reaction was that looks like an MCL tear combined with the ACL. I have also seen athletes in that much pain only to result in a sprain however at that speed and the awkward angle he fell it would be A really lucky situation to come out of that with just a sprain. Praying for the kid and best wishes to Alexis I hate seeing injuries.
It was pretty much 4 weeks. Out the 9th of Nov, back the 4th of December.
Barzal's stock was around were it was before he got injured, it just didn't bounce back, and really hard to attribute it to anything because of how Boston drafted. One team not liking him cost him 3 draft spots, it is almost unprecedented. Kyle Connor who had no injury had the same effect. If you look at rankings, he basically finished in the range he was in when he got injured due to the strong U-18's.
I'd also caution about comparing a knee injury to a torn achilles which was the case in Krebs.
Here's the good news, or silver lining if you will. The injury happened. We don't know what exactly will be the outcome.
What we do know is this: an 18 year old with a knee injury is significantly better off in healing and recovery than a 30 year old.
It does suck, but there is a very, very good chance Laf will be all good for his career.
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There is a lot to say regarding what the extent of the injury is. Is it complicated? Is it a partial tear? A 'micro' tear? A sprain? A multi-tear?
If it's a full tear of the ACL we know that if a graft is harvested from the young patient, the success rate goes up significantly. That's called an autograft. The funny thing is autografts don't work well for someone closer to 30.
As per some recent literature that I know of, 1 in 17 or 18 fail of the autografts in young patients.
I will say that if you follow major sports, many younger guys have ACL injuries, with a portion that re-injure it, mostly in basketball and football.
Hockey we have the advantage that we are not cutting or jumping much. The skate on the ice never does an instant stop- it always glides, even in the best of skaters and fast stoppers, and your skate is turned sideways typically, limiting ACL stress. That said, ACL injuries are according to what I can see, the 3rd most common injury in international hockey.
Here is a a great study you can read regarding ACL reconstruction and getting the athlete back on the ice.
Clinical Commentary: On-Ice Return-to-Hockey Progression After Anterior Cruciate Ligament Reconstruction
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It looked bad but I'm hoping that it's one of those looks worse than it is type of injuries.
That being said I think he is done for the WJC.
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