F Alexis Lafreniere - Rimouski Oceanic, QMJHL (2020 Draft) Part 2

[Mickey Marner]

Wasn't my point, I went on a tangent, sorry about that. Still not comparable to the level of hype Guy Lafleur had. To this day Lafleur is huge in Quebec City and it's not because he played for the Nordiques as a hairless old man.

That said, Lafleur was a center in junior, so nevermind all this.

I don't doubt it. As I said wasn't alive, will have to take your word for it.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I don't doubt it. As I said wasn't alive, will have to take your word for it.

I wasn't alive neither, but it is well documented.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Wings need this kid. Please hockey gods

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Wings need this kid. Please hockey gods

Sadly, our time came right after the Edmonton reign of terror...

Not even a one in five chance.

 

[DanM]

Wings need this kid. Please hockey gods

Not that I begrudge any team good things, but the Wings need to suffer a tad longer, they have had a lot over the years lol

 

[Henkka]

Performance today was impressive. It was interesting to see him vs Byfield and by my eyes it isn’t close to a comparison. Lafreniere is the total package and Byfield just has some parts. He took over the game and Byfield was invisible. Huge gap from 1 to 2 IMO.

Yeah,

Lafreniere, 4 chances + 8 assisted chances (in 15 minutes IT)
Byfield, 1 chance + 0 assisted (in 11 minutes IT)

Don't even dare to publish the difference in chance quality. I keep it on my own knowledge.

 

[VictorLustig]

Performance today was impressive. It was interesting to see him vs Byfield and by my eyes it isn’t close to a comparison. Lafreniere is the total package and Byfield just has some parts. He took over the game and Byfield was invisible. Huge gap from 1 to 2 IMO.

I think Lafreniere is a better prospect, he is however almost a year older and has played in this tournament before. Probably wise not to draw any conclusions after one game.

 

[Henkka]

I think Lafreniere is a better prospect, he is however almost a year older and has played in this tournament before. Probably wise not to draw any conclusions after one game.

Always better draw conclusions after 1 game than after zero games.

Lafreniere was superior player on the ice compared to anybody.

And I f***ing hate that Wings have only 18.5% chance for him.

 

[Debrincat93]

Not that I begrudge any team good things, but the Wings need to suffer a tad longer, they have had a lot over the years lol

how dare you!

 

[Debrincat93]

Always better draw conclusions after 1 game than after zero games.

Lafreniere was superior player on the ice compared to anybody.

And I ****ing hate that Wings have only 18.5% chance for him.

its ok, its rigged anyway. the NHL knows it will make more money off him going here then, say, NJ or OTT.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Do you know how he compares to other notable players in later years from the QMJHL? Or do you know how much, if at all, the CHL and QMJHL scoring differs?

MacKinnon had 75 points in 44 games.
Huberdeau had 105 points in 67 games.

Lafreniere's at 70 points in 32 games so he's already almost caught up with MacKinnon.

 

[Dion TheFluff]

I don't know what to tell you if you can't see the very obvious point being made. There was absolutely no debate of Crosby or McDavid being dethroned from #1 in their draft year and both were heralded as prodigies far prior to their draft year. You're making an insane leap.

All I'm saying is we need to see him play against players other than 17 year olds to put him in the same class as Matthews, Eichel, and Dahlin.

you realize the CHL has a 21 year old upper limit right?

 

[Slimmy]

MacKinnon had 75 points in 44 games.
Huberdeau had 105 points in 67 games.

Lafreniere's at 70 points in 32 games so he's already almost caught up with MacKinnon.

Would you say that Lafrenier's point production in the QMJHL is a rare feat? Are there outliers (same age) who could never translate that level of production into an NHL-career?

 

[AvsGuy]

Anyone remember Yanick Lehoux? 135 and 125 points in his final two QMJHL seasons?

Yeah, 10 NHL games total

Lafreniere passes the eye test with flying colours but bear in mind that these CHL stats don't mean much

 

[xIsle]

MacKinnon had 75 points in 44 games.
Huberdeau had 105 points in 67 games.

Lafreniere's at 70 points in 32 games so he's already almost caught up with MacKinnon.

You compare Lafreniere at 18 with MacKinnon and Huberdeau when they were 17. The fair comparison would be to take Lafreniere's statistics from last season, which were also very good: 105 points in 61 games.

Here is a comparison table of the best prospects from the Q in recent years (at 17 yo).

Drouin: 2.14 pts/per game
Lafreniere : 1.72
MacKinnon: 1.70
Ehlers: 1.65
Huberdeau: 1.57
Hischier: 1.51

Crosby was 2.71 pts/per game BTW!

 

[Sens72]

Anyone remember Yanick Lehoux? 135 and 125 points in his final two QMJHL seasons?

Yeah, 10 NHL games total

Lafreniere passes the eye test with flying colours but bear in mind that these CHL stats don't mean much

Lehoux was drafted 20 years ago. QMJHL has come a long way since then.

 

[newfy]

I think Lafreniere is a better prospect, he is however almost a year older and has played in this tournament before. Probably wise not to draw any conclusions after one game.

Yeah, I think Laffy is the clear number one guy but Byfield isnt all that far off. Like you said though hes a year older and has played in this tournament before. Byfield has also been moved from his natural position. Theres a lot of things that will favour Lafreniere for this short tournament that wont impact their long term potential so I think this tournament the gap is going to look quite big and have people in here talking about how much better he is when in reality the gap is MUCH smaller than it will look

 

[Lebowski]

You compare Lafreniere at 18 with MacKinnon and Huberdeau when they were 17. The fair comparison would be to take Lafreniere's statistics from last season, which were also very good: 105 points in 61 games.

Here is a comparison table of the best prospects from the Q in recent years (at 17 yo).

Drouin: 2.14 pts/per game
Lafreniere : 1.72
MacKinnon: 1.70
Ehlers: 1.65
Huberdeau: 1.57
Hischier: 1.51

Crosby was 2.71 pts/per game BTW!

It's not Lafreniere's fault if he got to play an extra season in the Q. There's no perfect comparison on a season to season basis when it comes to players like Lafeniere and any of the guys you mentioned. You say it's more fair, but I could just as easily point out Lafreniere in his D-1 season was nigh an entire year younger than Mackinnon in his D season.

If age is your primary concern, then Lafreniere this season is a month older than Mackinnon in his D season, as opposed to 11 months younger if you compare Mac D season to Laf D-1 season.

Better comparables would be other similar late birthdays like Tavares or Hall. Lafreniere seems to be trending significantly better than Hall, for example.

 

[xIsle]

It's not Lafreniere's fault if he got to play an extra season in the Q. There's no perfect comparison on a season to season basis when it comes to players like Lafeniere and any of the guys you mentioned. You say it's more fair, but I could just as easily point out Lafreniere in his D-1 season was nigh an entire year younger than Mackinnon in his D season.

If age is your primary concern, then Lafreniere this season is a month older than Mackinnon in his D season, as opposed to 11 months younger if you compare Mac D season to Laf D-1 season.

Better comparables would be other similar late birthdays like Tavares or Hall. Lafreniere seems to be trending significantly better than Hall, for example.

Redo your calculations! Last season Lafreniere was a month younger than MacKinnon during his draft year. This season, Lafrenière is 11 months older! So almost a whole year.

 

[Lebowski]

Redo your calculations! Last season Lafreniere was a month younger than MacKinnon during his draft year. This season, Lafrenière is 11 months older! So almost a whole year.

You're right! My bad on this one.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Would you say that Lafrenier's point production in the QMJHL is a rare feat? Are there outliers (same age) who could never translate that level of production into an NHL-career?

Honestly I don't know a whole lot about the QMJHL. off the top of my head I can't think of anyone undrafted who scored as much as he did and didn't make an impact in the NHL.

Lafrienere's floor is about as high as it gets.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

You compare Lafreniere at 18 with MacKinnon and Huberdeau when they were 17. The fair comparison would be to take Lafreniere's statistics from last season, which were also very good: 105 points in 61 games.

Here is a comparison table of the best prospects from the Q in recent years (at 17 yo).

Drouin: 2.14 pts/per game
Lafreniere : 1.72
MacKinnon: 1.70
Ehlers: 1.65
Huberdeau: 1.57
Hischier: 1.51

Crosby was 2.71 pts/per game BTW!

You're right I should've put more effort into it. I remember MacKinnon was like a day or two away from being a -14 pick.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

its ok, its rigged anyway. the NHL knows it will make more money off him going here then, say, NJ or OTT.

Explains why NJ has won twice in the last three years.

 

[Realgud]

Explains why NJ has won twice in the last three years.

Taylor Hall > Bribing Bettman

 

[Stephen]

Lehoux was drafted 20 years ago. QMJHL has come a long way since then.

Has the QMJHL actually come a long way? Feels like with each passing season there's fewer Quebec prospects being produced.