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Lafrenierre won CHL player of the year last year if we want to talk about 17 year old seasons

3rd in the Q (highest ppg) and led his team in scoring by 13 points in 5 less games. 23 playoff points in 13 games.

It's not as though Lafrenierre wasn't dominating as a 17 year old, he was the best player in the CHL at 17
 
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ever heard of Quinton Byfield?

6.04 center who is almost a year younger than Lafreniere and who's leading his team in pts by far.
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I find it interesting just how hung up on age people get at the top of the draft. Yet it has consistently shown that for the top tier elite talent it is actually rather irrelevant. When you get into the later rounds it absolutely becomes a factor in that you could find a late bloomer. When we are talking about Lafreniere? Yeah he is going into the NHL as a back to back CHL Player of the Year. A half year difference in age better not affect a teams decision or there are serious problems in that front office.
 
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TheBeastCoast said:
I find it interesting just how hung up on age people get at the top of the draft. Yet it has consistently shown that for the top tier elite talent it is actually rather irrelevant. When you get into the later rounds it absolutely becomes a factor in that you could find a late bloomer. When we are talking about Lafreniere? Yeah he is going into the NHL as a back to back CHL Player of the Year. A half year difference in age better not affect a teams decision or there are serious problems in that front office.
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it's more than a half year...Lafreniere is 312 days older than Byfield...practically an entire year.
 
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I find it interesting just how hung up on age people get at the top of the draft. Yet it has consistently shown that for the top tier elite talent it is actually rather irrelevant. When you get into the later rounds it absolutely becomes a factor in that you could find a late bloomer. When we are talking about Lafreniere? Yeah he is going into the NHL as a back to back CHL Player of the Year. A half year difference in age better not affect a teams decision or there are serious problems in that front office.
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thats not the point, nobody is saying lafreniere is not that good because he's a early birthday in the draft. It does factor when you are comparing 2 elite prospect and factoring their production, a whole year is HUGE in developpement at that age. some could argue Lafreniere is on a different tier. As a guy who's very high on Byfield i would tend to disagree, but they are both incredible prospect and Byfield's measurement and fluid skating and skills is quite spectacular for his age, being a late birthday adds to it! But yeah lafreniere is definitely going 1OV, Byfield is quite a consolation price, as it's not far fetch to think theres a possibility he ends up the better player, also a center.
 
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thats not the point, nobody is saying lafreniere is not that good because he's a early birthday in the draft. It does factor when you are comparing 2 elite prospect and factoring their production, a whole year is HUGE in developpement at that age. some could argue Lafreniere is on a different tier. As a guy who's very high on Byfield i would tend to disagree, but they are both incredible prospect and Byfield's measurement and fluid skating and skills is quite spectacular for his age, being a late birthday adds to it! But yeah lafreniere is definitely going 1OV, Byfield is quite a consolation price, as it's not far fetch to think theres a possibility he ends up the better player, also a center.
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My point is definitely not to discredit Byfield at all....and there are reasons of course to be crazy about Byfield. I am simply saying that if the sole reason you are taking someone at 1OA is because they happen to be younger then the prospect that you would otherwise reason to be "better" that is a problem.
 
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Because you really don't have one....
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@TheBeastCoast 's point is ridiculously clear lol can you read? At the top end of the draft worrying about birthdays is ridiculously irrelevant. These are guys who are developed, ready to jump into the NHL and have been on everyones radar for years. Someone on here actuallyposted a study where the late birthdays at the top of the draft generally end up doing better than later birthdays. Not sure what the cause is for that, maybe one more year of development in junior before making the jump but there is no reason to use birthdays as a way to say where Byfield or Lafreniere should get drafted
 
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@TheBeastCoast 's point is ridiculously clear lol can you read? At the top end of the draft worrying about birthdays is ridiculously irrelevant. These are guys who are developed, ready to jump into the NHL and have been on everyones radar for years. Someone on here actuallyposted a study where the late birthdays at the top of the draft generally end up doing better than later birthdays. Not sure what the cause is for that, maybe one more year of development in junior before making the jump but there is no reason to use birthdays as a way to say where Byfield or Lafreniere should get drafted
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I think the authors of the study suggested that being one of the youngest players in your age group up until juniors (which is the case for late birthdays like Lafreniere) may be a harder but more rewarding development path. Regardless, it's not that big a difference.

A lot of people seem to view a young player's development as a linear path based purely on age. IMO it's a bit simplistic.

-Lafrenière and Byfield will both be drafted this year.
-They will (likely) both make the jump to the NHL next year on whatever bad teams draft them.
-They will both have to work hard on their game in the next few years to become the consistent, productive star-level players we expect them to be.

Age at this point doesn't matter much for their development. Things like coaching, icetime, physical training and commitment will. It's not like Lafrenière will magically stop improving 10 months before Byfield once he reaches some arbitrary date. You could argue that Byfield has a higher ceiling, but it would be because of his size, speed and position, not because of his age.
 
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Bolduc is still not a bad prospect in his self.
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He's not, he's been good, but not "top-liner in the Q" good. He went from 11 pts in 16 gms on the 2nd line, to 11 pts in 6 gms on the first line. And this difference is purely EV, he's been on the top PP the whole season. That new level of production extrapolated over a whole season would put him... right around where Paré and Zavgorodniy are pacing for.
 
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He's not, he's been good, but not "top-liner in the Q" good. He went from 11 pts in 16 gms on the 2nd line, to 11 pts in 6 gms on the first line. And this difference is purely EV, he's been on the top PP the whole season. That new level of production extrapolated over a whole season would put him... right around where Paré and Zavgorodniy are pacing for.
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Playing with players like Laferinere will make him better obviously yes. He may be a player to watch in the later round next year, he is also getting more eyes on him from scouts since he is centreing LaF
 

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I agree with Byfield is doing is a lot more impressive.. Another reason why the cutoff should be like highschool and be December 31st.
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A lot more impressive? One has 55pts in 29 games and the other has 69 in 31...

This is also ignoring that Lafrenière has a CHL player of the year award and had 20more points if comparing their rookie campaigns as well.

Not sure how Byfield has been “a lot” more impressive...
 
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A lot more impressive? One has 55pts in 29 games and the other has 69 in 31...

This is also ignoring that Lafrenière has a CHL player of the year award and had 20more points if comparing their rookie campaigns as well.

Not sure how Byfield has been “a lot” more impressive...
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Byfield is only off by 14pts but he's in his second junior season LaF is in his 3rd. case closed
 
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