F Alexis Lafreniere (2020, 1st, NYR) part 3

[SympathyForTheDevils]

After a rare 2-game pointless streak, good game by Lafrenière tonight with 2 goals. The second one in particular was pretty nice, beating Justin Barron by passing the puck between his legs then putting it in on the backhand.

Goals are at 2:42 and 4:24 on the game highlights: LHJMQ – Incluant la couverture en direct des matchs, des clips audio et vidéo nouvelles exclusives, billets, statistiques, classements, horaires et autres.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

 

[Dominance]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

Jesus. How, how, how have you not learned by now.

Seriously, thanks for the periodic point total updates on CHLers, but these kind of comments are brutally inaccurate. To even insinuate - much less BLATANTLY STATE - that Rossi has been better than Lafreniere is nothing short of LAUGHABLE to literally anyone who has watched both play, and is the utter pinnacle of superficial stat-watching.

The fixation in specific levels of production with absolutely no regard to ANY other factor, contextual and otherwise, is strange and non-sensical. Your entire ability to evaluate prospects is limited to goals, assists, +/-, and faceoffs, because that’s all there is online. To draw direct parallels, and in so doing crush mountains of important considerations, between players, and then presume to present these as informed opinion or objective fact, is insane.

Just to pick a single piece - bullshit you have watched Beckman play with any remote regularity. How do you watch WHL in Finland? Can you? Do you often wake up early in the morning to catch the games?

If you did, you would understand how Lafreniere has an astronomically greater effect on the game, and that’s no slight to Adam. I’ve watched that kid play since his early teens, and even his style of play is inherently less impactful. Hell, even if you only watch highlights with any regularity, you could clearly perceive the difference.

Please - continue being the active poster you are. The vast majority of the time it is appreciated. Often, threads that were lost in the shuffle are brought back to the first page after you see they had a big night. They should give you some honourary title on this board. Just please recognize that bare-bones statistics do not ever start to tell the real story - especially when comparing players that aren’t even on the same teams or in the same leagues, and with no regard to greater contextual factors. Cheers.

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

You expected Lafrenière to hit 155 pts? So, roughly Crosby production? Your expectations may have been a bit high.

Players rarely hit 120 pts in the Q these days. Not draft-eligible players, just players in general. Even 19-20 yo players, with full seasons, on dominant teams, typically fall short. Only 3 players have done it in the last decade, all 19/20 yo players (Gourde, Mantha, Garland). And only Mantha missed significant time, due to the WJC.

Lafrenière is on pace to hit 120 pts in 56 games, a 0.43 PPG increase over last year. Combined with his improvements in other parts of the game, I don't see how anyone could be disappointed by his season.

 

[FinPanda]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

Wait what? Why did you have such an overly optimistic prediction?

 

[Just Linda]

I mean I agree with one of his points, I'm disappointed that Lafreniere spent the season working on all levels of his game and not just ripping an unbelievable amount of points. Run and gun 200pts would have been fun

 

[Michoulicious]

He won the CHL player of the year award in his D-1 year. He'll win again this year.

He won the WJC U20 MVP award in his draft year.

He has a better PPG in the Q than former #1 OA and franchise player Vincent Lecavalier in his draft year. He is by far the leading scorer in the Q, again.

... but he has been a disappointment.

 

[TimeZone]

He won the CHL player of the year award in his D-1 year.

He won the WJC U20 MVP award in his draft year. He'll win again this year.

He has a better PPG in the Q than former #1 OA and franchise player Vincent Lecavalier in his draft year. He is by far the leading scorer in the Q, again.

... but he has been a disappointment.

Without a doubt one of the strangest most uninformed posts I've ever seen on this forum.

 

[kyle44]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

Christ almighty this post. I’m not going to regurgitate what has already been said by others above, which I wholeheartedly agree with; so let’s focus solely on stats because that seems to be all you know. The kid has 103 points in 48 games, which is essentially 2.15 PPG. At this pace, had he played all 68 games, he would’ve finished with around 145 points (and this is assuming he didn’t rack up more than 2 points in some of these games). In what stratosphere is that disappointing production for a draft eligible player?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

OHL : 7.5 goals by game
LHJMQ : 6.5 goals by game

 

[Sens72]

I'm actually slightly disappointed of his draft season production,
2 ppg is always awesome but.... only 8 games left of the regular season
and Alexis stands with 103 points so far, he wont most likely hit even 120 this season
somewhere in 112-115 range perhaps, falls short about 40 of my before the season prediction.

Now i might of been overly optimistic, but about 115????, even with just over 2 ppg.....

In retrospective, i think both Rossi & Perfetti have been better what Lafreniére this season, in the CHL.
- not to mention last year draftee 18 year old Adam Beckman, who's been a total dominant force in the WHL

MacKinnon had 75 points in his draft year, he turned out alright.

 

[Fixxer]

He won the CHL player of the year award in his D-1 year. He'll win again this year.

He won the WJC U20 MVP award in his draft year.

He has a better PPG in the Q than former #1 OA and franchise player Vincent Lecavalier in his draft year. He is by far the leading scorer in the Q, again.

... but he has been a disappointment.

I have not seen much of him but highlights and
I think because he is not a flashy player, some people think he's just a good player. I watched him a few times and he didn't impress me in a way, but he just does the right things over and over again.
Everything seems easy for him, which is kind of why he's so effective.

 

[Dominance]

I have not seen much of him but highlights and
I think because he is not a flashy player, some people think he's just a good player. I watched him a few times and he didn't impress me in a way, but he just does the right things over and over again.
Everything seems easy for him, which is kind of why he's so effective.

He’s turned more defenders inside out this year than any other draft eligible, though. Just because he’s a responsible player doesn’t mean his game is vanilla. I’m seriously getting tired of this narrative.

Just last night he went between his legs to go through two defenders right in the slot and finished backhand. He does that kind of thing frequently and is extremely good at it.

 

[BondraTime]

Jesus George that’s a rough take even with expectations.

 

[4Twenty]

Seems kind of ridiculous to complain about his point totals when he’s just not going to play enough games.

If he scores at his same pace over the last 8 he hits 120 in 56. If he played all 68 he’d have a 146 point pace.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I have not seen much of him but highlights and
I think because he is not a flashy player, some people think he's just a good player. I watched him a few times and he didn't impress me in a way, but he just does the right things over and over again.
Everything seems easy for him, which is kind of why he's so effective.

I don’t think he’s ever a player that’s going to “wow” you with his dangles or speed. He’s just an overall beast with no real weakness and his IQ is off the charts. He’ll have the occasional play that will make the highlight real but that’s not his true game.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Shouldn't he get suspension for this play, or they don't have anything like this in QMJHL? He would certainly miss a few games in the NHL.

 

[wein]

Shouldn't he get suspension for this play, or they don't have anything like this in QMJHL? He would certainly miss a few games in the NHL.

I know that he got suspended earlier this year, but he definitely gets superstar treatment from the league with respect to discipline. I doubt he gets a suspension.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I know that he got suspended earlier this year, but he definitely gets superstar treatment from the league with respect to discipline. I doubt he gets a suspension.

Yeah, but he did it on a star player as well. I doubt, Moncton is happy with the play, which can potentially lead to problems between the teams.

 

[tony d]

I'm fine with Lafreniere and his season thus far. I think he's the best forward draft prospect since Mcdavid. He's going to be a NHL superstar rather quickly as well.

 

[Ulysses31]

I'm fine with Lafreniere and his season thus far. I think he's the best forward draft prospect since Mcdavid. He's going to be a NHL superstar rather quickly as well.

if hes as good as matthews as a Drw fan sign me up.

 

[wein]

Yeah, but he did it on a star player as well. I doubt, Moncton is happy with the play, which can potentially lead to problems between the teams.

I’m a Moncton fan so I agree with you, but when it comes to Lafreniere I don’t think they really care. His last suspension they couldn’t ignore because it was super dirty. Here I think they could rely on the fact that Khovanov has a history of embellishing and generally isn’t liked outside of Moncton. Also, Lafreniere draws fans like crazy to every rink he goes to so I think that there are implications to that.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So you ask a dumb question, get a straight answer, and respond like this?

Lafreniere is dominant in all areas of the game. The performance in league play and tournaments is non-comparable to this point. There is nothing that suggests Byfield is near Lafreniere’s level right now. Clear enough?

If you want to draft the younger, faster centre first overall, I’m sure you’ll get a good player. But Byfield has questions that Lafreniere just doesn’t, and that’s non-arguable.

How is his question dumb? It was fair and reasonable. Idk laf so I was curious what people see that separates him. Seemed like a damn good question to ask for people who dont get to watch.

The answers given at first were absolute garbage. "Hes better bc hes better" is basically whatthe first responses were. Made it seem like neither of the people answering knew anything at all about what they were talking about.

They probably dont

Afterwards people actually gave real answers

 

[Dominance]

How is his question dumb? It was fair and reasonable. Idk laf so I was curious what people see that separates him. Seemed like a damn good question to ask for people who dont get to watch.

The answers given at first were absolute garbage. "Hes better bc hes better" is basically whatthe first responses were. Made it seem like neither of the people answering knew anything at all about what they were talking about.

They probably dont

Afterwards people actually gave real answers

This is an old post but the subject matter has been discussed and explained at length and the poster I responded to was just being obstinate.

 

[SympathyForTheDevils]

Yeah, but he did it on a star player as well. I doubt, Moncton is happy with the play, which can potentially lead to problems between the teams.

Not sure Moncton can complain that much, given that Lafreniere was similarly slashed on the hands minutes earlier, and it went uncalled. If these teams meet in the playoffs, hopefully the games will be better reffed.

With that said, Lafreniere still has problems with discipline, and still semi-regularly gets baited into these dumb retaliatory gestures.