Value of: Exploring a Seth Jones Trade (7 years left at 9.5m)

[Mrfenn92]

Jones for Seguin 1 for 1 or Seguin and Wyatt Johnson for future considerations.

Seguin is the perfect player to put on the RW of Bedard then put Tyler Bertuzzi on the left.

Why is Wyatt Johnson in there?

 

[Faceboner]

If you retain 2 mil maybe something could be worked out with buffalo

 

[alehman42]

If you retain 2 mil maybe something could be worked out with buffalo

I was going to say...as a Sabres fan I'd be interested if the Hawks were willing to retain $2-2.5 mil and didn't expect much in return. But at that point I don't understand why they wouldn't just keep him. He's a good player, and Chicago doesn't *need* to move the contract, at least not any time soon.

 

[Mrfenn92]

If you retain 2 mil maybe something could be worked out with buffalo

I mean what’s the offer in return

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Why is Wyatt Johnson in there?

To dump 9.5 mil of cap space to sign Mathews.

 

[Mrfenn92]

To dump 9.5 mil of cap space to sign Mathews.

Whose dumping $9.5 million

 

[EK392000]

Jones’ reputation from those horrid seasons in Columbus seems to have followed him. Is her overpaid? Yes. Is he a cap dump? No.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Whose dumping $9.5 million

Dallas

 

[MagicalRazor]

depends on the retention you get him to 7 million and I think there will be some buyers on him

 

[Cotton]

Chicago has no need to move him right now, they're a rebuilding team with tons of cap space. Then we can ask what contender has room to take on that massive contract right now? Also with all the people suggesting Canadian teams, I am willing to bet that Jones has absolutely no desire to play for a Canadian franchise.

You are the second person to say Jones would have no interest in playing for a Canadian team. I'm not sure if its ignorance or plain stupidity behind it, but his father played for the Toronto Raptors and he lived here for a few years as a kid, which he said he enjoyed. But go on.

 

[squashmaple]

Jones’ reputation from those horrid seasons in Columbus seems to have followed him. Is her overpaid? Yes. Is he a cap dump? No.

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What horrid seasons in Columbus? Sincerely. Show me stats. He was good to great in Columbus, which is why Chicago traded as much as they did to acquire him ahead of free agency.

 

[EK392000]

What horrid seasons in Columbus? Sincerely. Show me stats. He was good to great in Columbus, which is why Chicago traded as much as they did to acquire him ahead of free agency.

 

[mouser]

No reason for Chicago to move Jones at this time, especially if the Hawks have to attach assets or retention to do so.

Even if Jones is currently overpaid by $2-3m, he’s still a top pairing RHD signed through his prime. With a big cap bump coming by 2024-25 and going forward that overpayment will decrease over the term of Jones’ contract.

 

[treple13]

Doesn't make a lot of sense. A contending team is going to have trouble wanting an overpaid D. A rebuilding team is going to want to be a contending team in 4-5 years at which point that contract could be an even worse albatross.

The ONLY way a trade makes sense is if you found an even worse player making the same amount of money for a few years less on a win-now team that doesn't think their window will be open at the end of the deal.

 

[Nuckster]

It would be far too expensive for Chicago to move him now.

In a few years the cap will be much higher and it will be easier to move him.

Also, maybe consider trying to pair him with a good PMD like he had in Columbus to try to maximize him and maybe it turns out you should just keep him.

And to be fair, chicago has no cap issues and needs to reach the floor, they may as well keep him as they are rebuilding because it doesn't 'hurt' them. Trading would cost them futures so why bother

 

[Faceboner]

I was going to say...as a Sabres fan I'd be interested if the Hawks were willing to retain $2-2.5 mil and didn't expect much in return. But at that point I don't understand why they wouldn't just keep him. He's a good player, and Chicago doesn't *need* to move the contract, at least not any time soon.

I mean what’s the offer in return

I was thinking maybe a 2nd and one of our b prospects getting rid of 7.5 would be pretty good no retention and your probably giving a 2nd

 

[tsujimoto74]

If Chicago retained some, he’d be a good fit in Buffalo, I think.

 

[TLEH]

Can't just stare at analytics in this sport. There isn't enough controlled stop starts to have true meaningful numbers. You can use analytics but when I read how people get their numbers and what goes into their stat, it takes so many assumptions it becomes.. less meaningful. This isn't baseball.

Anyway, that being said, Jones isn't going anywhere unless he wants to, and he probably only goes to Dallas if he does go. He's overpaid by 2-3m.

 

[squashmaple]

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lol jfresh. OK.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Can't just stare at analytics in this sport. There isn't enough controlled stop starts to have true meaningful numbers. You can use analytics but when I read how people get their numbers and what goes into their stat, it takes so many assumptions it becomes.. less meaningful. This isn't baseball.

Agreed. The much more insightful method is for everyone to watch the games and come to their own, expert opinions. Way fewer assumptions and subjectivity.

 

[EK392000]

lol jfresh. OK.

Is this your rebuttal to the statistics you asked for?

 

[Guffman]

Doesn't make sense to explore trade options for him at this point in time. Hawks will need to take on some bad contracts or give out some overpaid short term deals during FA to hit the cap floor. Why would they pay to offload one and then take on more?

This is the type of deal you explore 3-4 years down the road when the kids you've been drafting are coming into their own and might have to pay one or two of them and you want to compliment them with chasing some big name free agents to start preparing for a cup run. And at that point the cap should be higher, there will be much less term left on his contract, etc...

This is the correct opinion. Unfortunately, we’re going to see his name dragged onto these forums each year with posters coming to the same logical conclusion… he’s not tradeable without Chicago giving up valuable resources that wouldn’t make sense for them to do.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Is this your rebuttal to the statistics you asked for?

The statistics are always deeply, inherently flawed when they don't make a player on my favorite team look like a superstar.

 

[kvladimir]

Where's the value for the Leafs?

Cap space + top pairing RHD? Maybe I'm not completely up to speed on Jones' value...

 

[Comely]