Value of: Exploring a Seth Jones Trade (7 years left at 9.5m)

[jonlin]

Stars could send Suter/Fakska and have a better blue line in their window for however long that is.

Stars window will actually open in 2yrs when Benn, Faksa, Lindell and Suter are gone.

 

[jonlin]

You could probably get Dallas to bite on the full term if the return cap balancer is Seguin.

Funny how people mention worst contracts in the league and you hear it’s Nurse, it’s Bobrovsky, it’s Seth Jones when useless Seguin had 4 years left at almost 10m.

Chicago would need an add but Seguin to balance the cap for 4 of 7 years and the cap going up I think you could get Dallas to bite. Improve the return by eating the 2 years left on Suter. That’s one of the few way I could see getting high trade value on Seth Jones. Eat a couple bad shorter contracts and try to max out the futures package.

I`d actually do this trade from Dallas point of view. Seguin`s contract is even shittier while shorter and Jones could very well get back on track paired with Heiskanen

 

[Jovavic]

Ok

ELO is a band from the 60s or 70s that had a few chart topping hits, if you've listened to a classic rock station then you'll probably recognize them

 

[Mrfenn92]

ELO is a band from the 60s or 70s that had a few chart topping hits, if you've listened to a classic rock station then you'll probably recognize them

Electric light orchestra and yes I have
Thanks

 

[Coffee]

Chicago is supposed to be making trades for bad contracts and not paying to dump them. Is it opposite day?

You are stuck with that albatross. Unless you want Nurse?

Give us Nurse then.

Exactly, you won’t do it without adding a Second

Electric light orchestra and yes I have
Thanks

ELO is a band from the 60s or 70s that had a few chart topping hits, if you've listened to a classic rock station then you'll probably recognize them

You made a fool of me

 

[TGWL]

Hawks don't need to move him until they're ready to contend and then need the cap space.

 

[M88K]

I think as a Stars fan, I'd be ok with adding Jones, but Seguin would have to be going the other way in the trade.
I'd take a risk on the extra 3yrs with the cap expected to rise quite a bit by then, overpaid as he is, He'd still be the 2nd best d-man on the team in that scenario.

 

[BHawk21]

Hawks have more cap space then they will know what to do with. Hes our best defenseman by a long shot. Zero reason to trade him now and probably for 3 more years.

 

[BHFAN92]

Here Hawks fans are saying to take on EOL teams are going to have to pony up multiple first round picks.....but Seth Jones, who has a longer contract, is a cap dump....

With what could be coined "Blackhawk fan logic ", to get rid of Jones contract the Hawks would have to throw in the first overall as a sweetener.

Can't have it both ways.

except Jones is younger and a way better player than OEL but go on with

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

except Jones is younger and a way better player than OEL but go on with

Seth Jones has a 9.5 million cap hit until 2030.

No matter how you want to frame how much better he is then ELO, Seth Jones ain't worth a 9.5 cap hit. Not with bone head plays like this one;



Seth Jones is a number one defenseman on the Hawks by default, not because he's an actual number one defenseman.

 

[u2wojo]

Hawks are not trading Jones. He is a top pairing RHD that eats 24.5 minutes a game of icetime with a full NMC. While he is overpaid, he is a very good 28 year old player with a game/style of play that should age okay. The overpaid part has no effect on the Hawks for at least 4 year and likely never as the cap is expected to go up the next few offseason likely bringing him from overpaid to right about where he should be the last 2-3 years of the deal when the cap will actually start to matter to the Hawks. Being strong on the RHD with Jones 1st pair, Murphy 2nd, and Zaitsev 3rd fits perfectly with all the LHD prospects the Hawks need to audition and sort through the next couple of seasons. They have no less than 6 LHD prospects that need at least some NHL games this year.

 

[u2wojo]

Seth Jones has a 9.5 million cap hit until 2030.

No matter how you want to frame how much better he is then ELO, Seth Jones ain't worth a 9.5 cap hit. Not with bone head plays like this one;



Seth Jones is a number one defenseman on the Hawks by default, not because he's an actual number one defenseman.

Seth Jones is overpaid. While he is a 1st pairing caliber D, I don't view him as a #1. If you are looking at RHD, there are easily a dozen teams that would play him in their top pairing (not just the Hawks). Seth Jones is the least of the Hawks problems. The problem is the best LHD option you could pair him with last year was McCabe and they are playing in front of Mrazek/Stalock and with 3/4ers of a roster that is AHL caliber.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

Seth Jones is overpaid. While he is a 1st pairing caliber D, I don't view him as a #1. If you are looking at RHD, there are easily a dozen teams that would play him in their top pairing (not just the Hawks). Seth Jones is the least of the Hawks problems. The problem is the best LHD option you could pair him with last year was McCabe and they are playing in front of Mrazek/Stalock and with 3/4ers of a roster that is AHL caliber.

List this dirty dozen

 

[No Fun Shogun]

I have a hard time imagining that the Hawks could trade him unless they ate a bad contract or two on the way back and/or significantly sweetened the deal with prospects/picks going out. The cap hit alone is prohibitive, but the term is basically a non-starter.

 

[u2wojo]

List this dirty dozen

Guys that led their respcetive team in TOI per game as RHD....Savard (MON), Pionk (WPG), Deangelo (PHI), Spurgeon (MIN), Gudbranson/Peeke (CBJ), Marino (NJ), Jokiharju (BUF), Hronek/Myers (VAN), Pullock (NYI), Zub (OTT), Ceci (EDM).

 

[kvladimir]

How close is this:

CHI: Jones
TOR: Marner + Murray (no retention)

?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

How close is this:

CHI: Jones
TOR: Marner + Murray (no retention)

?

Not close at all.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Jones for Seguin 1 for 1 or Seguin and Wyatt Johnson for future considerations.

Seguin is the perfect player to put on the RW of Bedard then put Tyler Bertuzzi on the left.

 

[Bond]

How close is this:

CHI: Jones
TOR: Marner + Murray (no retention)

?

Where's the value for the Leafs?

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

If I was the Oilers, I’d take em for nurse but I doubt either would waive.

 

[Belfour20]

Doesn't make sense to explore trade options for him at this point in time. Hawks will need to take on some bad contracts or give out some overpaid short term deals during FA to hit the cap floor. Why would they pay to offload one and then take on more?

This is the type of deal you explore 3-4 years down the road when the kids you've been drafting are coming into their own and might have to pay one or two of them and you want to compliment them with chasing some big name free agents to start preparing for a cup run. And at that point the cap should be higher, there will be much less term left on his contract, etc...

 

[Freaky Styley]

I do think he would fit in well on the Leafs. Feels like Jones has been on bad teams most of his career, would love to see him surrounded by a good team/coach. Fills a huge need on the Leafs.

Realistically Marner would have to go the other way, which means Chicago needs to add some value. That's where it gets tricky, as they don't really have an impact forward that would push it forward (like a Provorov-Konecny swap). I'd probably target Raddysh and recoup some picks to ship to a team with Boston's 1st and Murray for another forward.

So altogether for the Leafs:

In: Seth Jones, Taylor Raddysh, top 6 forward X
Out: Marner, Murray, Picks from Jones trade + BOS 1st

So, who's available? Maybe a guy like Crouse.

If not the Leafs (or a Oilers swap with Nurse) I don't really see him moving. Then again, with Bedard, Chicago might actually try to improve their team this summer to somewhat respectable, in which case he helps there. As people have said, Bedard and the rest could still use a guy like him to shoulder the load.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

It's a hard contract to trade, cap wise, as I doubt Chicago would entertain retention for 7 years. I like him as a player and think he can turn it around, unlike most on here, but still think the contract will be hard to move without another high cap player coming back.

 

[TheBeard]

It's a hard contract to trade, cap wise, as I doubt Chicago would entertain retention for 7 years. I like him as a player and think he can turn it around, unlike most on here, but still think the contract will be hard to move without another high cap player coming back.

I think the only way to make it work is for Chicago to take back a player on an equally bad contract but maybe with less years. They can handle the bigger cap hits now so may as well absorb as much as possible until cap becomes an issue. If they, say, trade for an OeL as part of the deal it's 3 less years which means a buyout would be easier to swallow for him 3 years down the road than for Jones. It's better than wasting a retention slot for 7 years on Seth.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Detroit has a lot of cap space, but the last time I saw a trade board discussion about their defense it sounded like they were stacked with reasonably good defensive prospects.