Speculation: Expansion draft - who are you protecting?

[Captain Crunch]

It's actually easy, OP nailed it. The Leafs will lose a useful player in Kerfoot, Dermott or even upcoming UFA Hyman but that's how it goes.

Do not want to lose Hyman. I'm probably in the minority, but if it came down to either Hyman or Nylander, I'd keep Hyman.

 

[Menzinger]

So you are cool with Hyman hitting the open market, maybe a team with cap like Ottawa or Boston signs him, you OK with that?

Its a risk I'd be willing to take if he was open to a handshake agreement.

If he signs for an overpayment somewhere else, then good luck to him. And the other team deals with the cap consequences

 

[Menzinger]

Hyman also has a pdo of 105.9 this season...
Anyone paying for that level of offense for a guy whose about to enter his 30s is going to be in for a very rude Awakening sooner rather than later.

I still expect the Leafs and him to come to a very reasonable compromise after the expansion draft.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Get Tavares to waive no movement under the assumption his contract isn’t want in Seattle during this pandemic.

Matthews
Marner
Nylander

Reilly
Muzzin
Brodie
Holl
Dermott

Campbell


Does that work?

If Tavares is exposed, he will be getting picked. It's not like Seattle is up against the cap

 

[seanlinden]

Do not want to lose Hyman. I'm probably in the minority, but if it came down to either Hyman or Nylander, I'd keep Hyman.

Ultimately, if Hyman's salary requirements escalate to the point of it having to be a choice between Nylander and him (possibly somewhere in the mid 4s).. it really doesn't make sense to keep him as much as he is a "glue guy" on tihs team.

Realistically, Tanner Pearson is a reasonable comparable (40+ points 3 in out of the last 4 completed seasons, including 21 goals and 45 points in 69 games before covid hit), and he just signed for $3.25m x 3 years. It seems logical that when dealing with players of this type at age 28, a 4th or 5th year would be considered a risk by the team; although likely in better economic and cap circumstances.

Assuming Hyman comes in around the Kerfoot range, it's simply going to mean the door for Alex Kerfoot, with Hyman's current salary available for a 3rd line C.

 

[Brown Dog]

Give Hyman Freddy's money.

 

[Its not your fault]

Do not want to lose Hyman. I'm probably in the minority, but if it came down to either Hyman or Nylander, I'd keep Hyman.

If I knew I was doing that I would trade Nylander or try something fancy like there 1st next season for Nylander unprotected.

 

[Its not your fault]

Ultimately, if Hyman's salary requirements escalate to the point of it having to be a choice between Nylander and him (possibly somewhere in the mid 4s).. it really doesn't make sense to keep him as much as he is a "glue guy" on tihs team.

Realistically, Tanner Pearson is a reasonable comparable (40+ points 3 in out of the last 4 completed seasons, including 21 goals and 45 points in 69 games before covid hit), and he just signed for $3.25m x 3 years. It seems logical that when dealing with players of this type at age 28, a 4th or 5th year would be considered a risk by the team; although likely in better economic and cap circumstances.

Assuming Hyman comes in around the Kerfoot range, it's simply going to mean the door for Alex Kerfoot, with Hyman's current salary available for a 3rd line C.

I'm okay with that.

 

[Egghead1999]

Ultimately, if Hyman's salary requirements escalate to the point of it having to be a choice between Nylander and him (possibly somewhere in the mid 4s).. it really doesn't make sense to keep him as much as he is a "glue guy" on tihs team.

Realistically, Tanner Pearson is a reasonable comparable (40+ points 3 in out of the last 4 completed seasons, including 21 goals and 45 points in 69 games before covid hit), and he just signed for $3.25m x 3 years. It seems logical that when dealing with players of this type at age 28, a 4th or 5th year would be considered a risk by the team; although likely in better economic and cap circumstances.

Assuming Hyman comes in around the Kerfoot range, it's simply going to mean the door for Alex Kerfoot, with Hyman's current salary available for a 3rd line C.

is it you, Jimbo?
Canucks GM is as dumb as Chiarelli. He let Toffoli (19 goals, 4.25 AAV) walk, but re-sign Pearson(11 pts, 3.25 AAV). Hyman should be low ~3M AAV most.

 

[cupcrazyman]

No way Francis picks Hyman & loses him back to the Leafs for nothing.

 

[Marmoset]

No way Francis picks Hyman & loses him back to the Leafs for nothing.

I have no idea why this discussion on Seattle taking Hyman is still going. From Seattle's perspective, they could:

1. Draft a good young defenseman like Travis Dermott.
2. If they're looking at too many defensemen available and not enough forwards, they can get a decent forward in Alex Kerfoot who is probably better than the forwards a lot of other teams will leave exposed.
3. Draft a UFA in Zach Hyman who we believe wants to stay in Toronto. In their two-day window to negotiate they would have to back up the truck to pay him because otherwise, why would Hyman sign there? He can wait two days, then sign with the Leafs or any other team of his choosing.

Why on Earth would Seattle choose option 3?

 

[Maplebeasts]

Trade Rielly. (He's got value but is no where near as good as people think imo) Protect Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, and Dermott. Re-sign Hyman.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Melander is a better player then Hyman????

BAHAHAHAHAHA!! f***ing hello NO!!!!!!!

I take Hyman 10/10 over willi the friendly ghost

Melander? What is this high school?

 

[BayStBullies]

Melander? What is this high school?

Some people never left

 

[Stonehands1990]

I have no idea why this discussion on Seattle taking Hyman is still going. From Seattle's perspective, they could:

1. Draft a good young defenseman like Travis Dermott.
2. If they're looking at too many defensemen available and not enough forwards, they can get a decent forward in Alex Kerfoot who is probably better than the forwards a lot of other teams will leave exposed.
3. Draft a UFA in Zach Hyman who we believe wants to stay in Toronto. In their two-day window to negotiate they would have to back up the truck to pay him because otherwise, why would Hyman sign there? He can wait two days, then sign with the Leafs or any other team of his choosing.

Why on Earth would Seattle choose option 3?

EXACTLY! This thread is cancer people thinking Seattle would roll the dice on UFA rights. Even Dermott is a risk because we could sign him as an RFA and sacrifice a low pick (hoping for 1.5-2.0 range?)

They’ll take Engvall or Kerfoot OR my ideal situation we bribe them to take Kerfoot (cap relief) or Hutchinson

 

[Bluelines]

Hyman also has a pdo of 105.9 this season...
Anyone paying for that level of offense for a guy whose about to enter his 30s is going to be in for a very rude Awakening sooner rather than later.

I still expect the Leafs and him to come to a very reasonable compromise after the expansion draft.

Nylander and Hyman have virtually the same points, I think they are off by 2 points, with Hyman having played one less game. Are you saying Nylander is an overpayment?

 

[Menzinger]

Nylander and Hyman have virtually the same points, I think they are off by 2 points, with Hyman having played one less game. Are you saying Nylander is an overpayment?

What I'm suggesting is I don't think Hymans current offensive output is sustainable in the long term (ie over the bulk of the duration of a 4-7 year contract), so paying him a contract for this current scoring rate is a fairly substantial risk.

 

[Bluelines]

What I'm suggesting is I don't think Hymans current offensive output is sustainable in the long term (ie over the bulk of the duration of a 4-7 year contract), so paying him a contract for this current scoring rate is a fairly substantial risk.

Think about how he plays every situation, Nylander does not play PK. Think about how Hyman makes every line he plays with better.

He's actually been pretty consistent over the last 2 years, .73p per game last year, .74 this year. I get I wont convince you otherwise but Hyman is a 2nd line winger on any team in this league, well worth 5 mil per.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I kind of wish they had a Kracken board on here to get fans in early. We could read their boards articles and so on if they did.I would likely travel over to it to read whats going on actually.

 

[kb]

The Leafs don't have to protect Hyman. Give it up.

 

[sxvnert]

Depends on which protection framework they choose, 7F+3D or 4F+4D.

If they've decided 7F+3D then they should be loading up on forwards with some term.

 

[Budz]

It amazes how some of our fan base is not up to speed on basic things like cap and protection lists.

Tavares has to be protected. NMC
Mik is exempt.
You don’t have to protect UFAs

Carry on...

 

[Tak7]

Much like the Vegas expansion draft, I don't think there's too many difficult decisions for the Leafs to make at this expansion draft;

They'll probably go 8 skaters / 1 Goalie, instead of 7/3/1, as that lets them protect an extra Dman.

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Tavares
4. Nylander
5. Rielly
6. Brodie
7. Muzzin
8. Holl

That leaves Kerfoot / Engvall as your two exposed forward requirement.
That leaves Dermott as your exposed D requirement.
That leaves Hutchinson as your exposed G requirement.

They probably are OK with losing Dermott, as that creates an opening that they can slide Sandin or Liljegren into.


Going 7/3/1, and proecting 7 Forwards, means they have to expose 1 of Holl / Muzzin, which they probably don't have the appetite to do.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I kind of wish they had a Kracken board on here to get fans in early. We could read their boards articles and so on if they did.I would likely travel over to it to read whats going on actually.

What’s wrong with this one.
Seattle Kraken

 

[bodechek]

My list

Matthews
Marner
Tavares
Rielly
Brodie
Muzzin
Hyman
Nylander
Campbell