wow,,,,,,,,,this is just full blown ,,,,,,,,,,WOW!Trade Rielly. (He's got value but is no where near as good as people think imo) Protect Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, and Dermott. Re-sign Hyman.
I have no idea why this discussion on Seattle taking Hyman is still going. From Seattle's perspective, they could:
1. Draft a good young defenseman like Travis Dermott.
2. If they're looking at too many defensemen available and not enough forwards, they can get a decent forward in Alex Kerfoot who is probably better than the forwards a lot of other teams will leave exposed.
3. Draft a UFA in Zach Hyman who we believe wants to stay in Toronto. In their two-day window to negotiate they would have to back up the truck to pay him because otherwise, why would Hyman sign there? He can wait two days, then sign with the Leafs or any other team of his choosing.
Why on Earth would Seattle choose option 3?
Kerfoot doesn’t necessarily have to go anywhere next season if you can get Hyman to take a deal that has an aav around 3.5-4. Simply shave a few bucks off Simmonds’ roster spot and Freddie. Hyman already makes 2.25 so you only need 1.5-2m to cover his raise.Ultimately, if Hyman's salary requirements escalate to the point of it having to be a choice between Nylander and him (possibly somewhere in the mid 4s).. it really doesn't make sense to keep him as much as he is a "glue guy" on tihs team.
Realistically, Tanner Pearson is a reasonable comparable (40+ points 3 in out of the last 4 completed seasons, including 21 goals and 45 points in 69 games before covid hit), and he just signed for $3.25m x 3 years. It seems logical that when dealing with players of this type at age 28, a 4th or 5th year would be considered a risk by the team; although likely in better economic and cap circumstances.
Assuming Hyman comes in around the Kerfoot range, it's simply going to mean the door for Alex Kerfoot, with Hyman's current salary available for a 3rd line C.
There’s no conceivable reason right now to go 7-3-1 you’re exposing Holl or Muzzin in that scenario. the forward upgrade would have to be substantial to justify that sort of risk imo.Depends on which protection framework they choose, 7F+3D or 4F+4D.
If they've decided 7F+3D then they should be loading up on forwards with some term.
Strongly disagree. Hyman fits like a glove no matter what line he plays on and that to me suggests that he is likely to fit like a glove on any team he plays on.
There was an interesting discussion on overdrive recently on the possibility of Hyman being on the Olympic team. We'll see but at this point in time, I'd say that he is more likely to be chosen for the team then Tavares, would you agree or disagree? We'll see but if he is picked, that would decimate your theory that much of his value comes from his fit with Marner and Matthews.
Source? Like I said, there is no definition so everyone can choose their own meaning. If I had to do it I'd probably say it has to do with making the biggest contribution to getting/maintaining possession and by that standard, Hyman concedes nothing to his linemates. And if you look at your criteria, there's really not much of a gap between Hyman and the other two either. Point shares is an interesting stat, by that one the three players (Hyman, Tavares, Nylander) are in a virtual tie.
IMO deciding who's best has nothing to do with what label you put on them (playmaker, glue guy, scorer etc.). Do you really think Hyman would be easy to replace?
I look at it this way - if we were to begin a PO series tomorrow against a good team, WPG, COL, TB, whoever and you had to to choose play the series without either Nylander, Tavares or Hyman, who would you choose. That's how you decide who the best player is today. And I'll bet that if we were to set up a poll on this today, the results would be ... interesting. Hard to predict the results but if you think that a strong majority would choose to play without Hyman, I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong. In fact I would guess that most people would say that as of right now, we need Hyman more then the other two.
As far as fleeting career, wear and tear etc., I agree with you there. I'm just talking about value as of right now.
You can't protect those 4 defensemen, if you look at the link on the OP it says 1 of the green check defensemen must be exposed.
Trade Rielly. (He's got value but is no where near as good as people think imo) Protect Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, and Dermott. Re-sign Hyman.
Points/60No one is taking Kerfoot get a grip folks ... Dermy will be gone unless Dubie trades a pick for Seattle to take Kerfoot ... to me 2021 picks are useless so i would trade a pick to keep Dermy as young defenders are hard to give up on
I would do this instantly. I'm just not a fan of Rielly's game. He's still really bad defensively and I don't think he's as offensively gifted as his point totals would indicate. So many times he'll just tap the puck over to Matthews or Marner and let them do the work. He also really sucks at getting the puck through on net.You only move Rielly if you have a back pocket deal with Dougie Hamilton (UFA) this summer:
-Andersen walks
-Split 50% of Andersen's money on a raise for Hyman.
-Take 50% of Andersen's money plus Rielly for Dougie Hamilton.
Excellent post. Again, I say, he is the 2021 Bob Gainey. A player, that for most fans of the Canadiens was in the shadow of the great offensive talents on those teams.
Yet, the architect of Soviet hockey, who after the 72 series, gained a ton of respect from North American hockey fans, SHOCKED, these new found fans by declaring Bob Gainey as the most complete player in the game. Meaning, in the world.
People were like what? Who is Bob Gainey lol.
Totally agree, if I was given those three players, yes, I wouldn't want to be without any of them, yet , I would have Hyman in my two.
Remember, that Hyman had a serious knee injury, I was worried about him to be frank. Zach came back, and typically, he came back better. I have to give Babcock credit for a few things, but man, would Hyman even be with the Leafs, were it not for Babcock's vision of Hyman's abilities, plural?
You only move Rielly if you have a back pocket deal with Dougie Hamilton (UFA) this summer:
-Andersen walks
-Split 50% of Andersen's money on a raise for Hyman.
-Take 50% of Andersen's money plus Rielly for Dougie Hamilton.
I’m not sure why a lot of posters say Hyman is exempt from the expansion draft.
Pending Unrestricted Free Agents
There will be several players exposed by their teams that will be “Pending Unrestricted Free Agents” (UFA). The scenario is that a player will have just played the last year of his NHL contract with his team and will become an Unrestricted Free Agent roughly one week after the Expansion Draft. The Kraken will have a 48-hour window before their selections are made to talk and negotiate with any of these UFAs. An example here is where a player like Taylor Hall is left unprotected by Buffalo. Seattle could discuss a potential contract term for a new deal with Hall. If they reach an agreement, Seattle would then choose Hall in the Expansion Draft. If they cannot reach a deal, Seattle would find some other player to select from Buffalo.
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Go 7 and 3
Matthews
Marner
Nylander
Tavares
Hyman
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Rielly
Muzzin
Brodie
no way in hell I’m protecting Holl over Hyman
Hyman isn’t exempt but if you work out a contract with him before and sign it the first day of free agency you don’t need to worry of Seattle scooped him up and held his rights for a week.
Unless Seattle then offers 10 million more over the span of the contract. He might change his mind.
We either have a back pocket deal for him to sign or we don’t. If Seattle is going to give him $10 million they can have him and I’ll be happy for Zach Hyman that he earned that money.
Yeah, the propeller-head conspiracy theorists look to the worst case scenario, and spout their gloom and doom.We either have a back pocket deal for him to sign or we don’t. If Seattle is going to give him $10 million they can have him and I’ll be happy for Zach Hyman that he earned that money.