Rumor: Everything JT Miller | Elias Pettersson trade Thread

[Breakers]

It just such a weird trade

Does Vancouver get younger? NO
Does Vancouver save money ? NO
Does Vancouver save money against the cap? NO
Does Vancouver get a center in return? NO
Does Vancouver get more production? NO
Does Vancouver get picks or prospects? NO

Fits the checklist. Let’s do it vancouver

 

[Empoleon8771]

My proposal:

To Carolina
JT Miller,Hoglander

To Van
1st, Necas, Kotkaniemi, Scott Morrow

All of those deals are hilariously lopsided towards the Canucks, but I want to focus especially on this one. Necas is the most valuable piece in this deal yet Carolina is still adding a 1st, Morrow and Kokaniemi on top of him.

Carolina wouldn't even do Necas for Miller straight up. Necas is only about to turn 26 and has 47 points in 40 games this year. Why are they trading him for an older player who has been worse this year?

 

[AirGut]

Going from Miller’s style of play and his overall contributions when he’s on his game to that of Zibanejad’s should be a no go. Full stop.

I won't disagree at all but it could be worth it if it keeps Elias Pettersson happy and playing at 110%. Unless the plan is to just trade EP which I think would be real foolish considering he's still 26, he's the future of that franchise right now.

What's the real chances this all blow over between Miller & Pettersson if it's just been progressively getting worse over the past 4 years?

 

[3074326]

you wouldnt do Kent Johnson for Ep40 1 for 1?

At same age now as Kent, Pettersson already had a 28,27, 32 goal season.

While Kent's career high is 40 pts...

I like Kent Johnson, but i dont think i like him as much as you do.

It’s not really hard to understand why a rebuilding team doesn’t want to trade it’s cheap, young, core players for a $10 mill question mark, but maybe if you remove more context it’ll make sense

At least try not to be disingenuous, man. Why are you trying to move Petts if he’s the guy you are saying he is?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm not going to be one to say that Miller won't bring back a good return, but this idea that Vancouver will be able to bring back a top tier young asset from another team for him is downright laughable. Teams aren't going to trade a 22 year old, recent #5 overall pick that is currently pacing for 70 points for a soon to be 32 year old Miller.

It's a lot more realistic that you get like 2 very good 27-31 year old players along with a 1st and a prospect for Miller if you're trading him, maybe something like a 2C, middle pair RD, a prospect and a 1st. Using the NYI just as an example, you'd be more likely looking at something like Pulock, Nelson and futures for Miller.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I won't disagree at all but it could be worth it if it keeps Elias Pettersson happy and playing at 110%. Unless the plan is to just trade EP which I think would be real foolish considering he's still 26, he's the future of that franchise right now.

What's the real chances this all blow over between Miller & Pettersson if it's just been progressively getting worse over the past 4 years?

This is assuming that the Rangers are the only option to trade with. Word is they are not. If the Rangers want to dump Zib on the Canucks they’ll have to pay for that and then pay to acquire Miller.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Pettersson to Montréal is the deal to make

 

[Mrfenn92]

Pettersson to Montréal is the deal to make

For?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Pettersson to Montréal is the deal to make

Montreal doesn't have the assets Vancouver would want for Pettersson, unless they get stupid and offer one of their top young NHLers.

You're not getting him for Matheson, Dach and some futures.

 

[AirGut]

This is assuming that the Rangers are the only option to trade with. Word is they are not.

Us plebs on HF have no idea what's actually real or not, this is all just spit-balling and basing things off scummy media journalists.

If J.T. Miller says the only team he will waive his NMC for is NYR, the Rangers are the only option to trade with. No leverage.

 

[Kegs]

JT Miller likes to scream and bark orders at his teammates like someone made him head coach.
EP40 be like huge *roll eyes* to that.

Source?

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is assuming that the Rangers are the only option to trade with. Word is they are not. If the Rangers want to dump Zib on the Canucks they’ll have to pay for that and then pay to acquire Miller.

I think I've seen reports that the NYR are the only team Miller would waive his NTC to.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I'm not going to be one to say that Miller won't bring back a good return, but this idea that Vancouver will be able to bring back a top tier young asset from another team for him is downright laughable. Teams aren't going to trade a 22 year old, recent #5 overall pick that is currently pacing for 70 points for a soon to be 32 year old Miller.

I think that opinion is basically a one off. Pettersson might have that value but I

It's a lot more realistic that you get like 2 very good 27-31 year old players along with a 1st and a prospect for Miller if you're trading him, maybe something like a 2C, middle pair RD, a prospect and a 1st. Using the NYI just as an example, you'd be more likely looking at something like Pulock, Nelson and futures for Miller.

Us plebs on HF have no idea what's actually real or not, this is all just spit-balling and basing things off scummy media journalists.

If J.T. Miller says the only team he will waive his NMC for is NYR, the Rangers are the only option to trade with. No leverage.

Dhaliwhal is about as connected as you can get with the Canucks’ organization and he has indicated it isn’t a Rangers or nothing situation. But believe whatever you want.

 

[Spargon]

For?

Ryder + Halak + 2nd

 

[Bouboumaster]

For?

Montreal doesn't have the assets Vancouver would want for Pettersson, unless they get stupid and offer one of their top young NHLers.

You're not getting him for Matheson, Dach and some futures.

It depends if Vancouver want to rebuild or compete

If they want to compete, we would have to include a 3rd team, but I'd throw Calgary 2025 1st + Unprotected 2025 Habs 1st + some of our better prospects to get stuff done (everything not named Demidov or Reinbacher would be fair game, including Roy, Mailloux, Beck, Xhekaj 2.0, etc)
I'd be open to trade the 2026 1st from Montréal if needed too

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think that opinion is basically a one off. Pettersson might have that value but I

Yeah Pettersson would but Miller wouldn't, I agree there.

I actually think Pettersson to Columbus for Johnson+ makes a boatload of sense, even with Johnson's terrific season so far. Johnson and Provorov for Pettersson, with Columbus adding futures to close out the value difference there, seems really reasonable as a base on paper. Issue there is I don't think Johnson has played much center this year where he'd basically need to play center if he's being moved in that kind of deal.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I'm not going to be one to say that Miller won't bring back a good return, but this idea that Vancouver will be able to bring back a top tier young asset from another team for him is downright laughable. Teams aren't going to trade a 22 year old, recent #5 overall pick that is currently pacing for 70 points for a soon to be 32 year old Miller.

It's a lot more realistic that you get like 2 very good 27-31 year old players along with a 1st and a prospect for Miller if you're trading him, maybe something like a 2C, middle pair RD, a prospect and a 1st. Using the NYI just as an example, you'd be more likely looking at something like Pulock, Nelson and futures for Miller.

Spot on for Miller , and the issue with Petey is the contract , how many cost controlled high picks and prospects is a team willing to give up for that immediate cap hit.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

The deal has to be to get Miller out the door. Rumours in Vancouver are that Miller's absence was due to an overall horrible attitude and treatment of staff, and he was basically told by the team to f*** off and take a paid suspension.

The Canucks cannot afford to pass up the opportunity to get Miller out the door here. He's a great player and I have loved having him in the lineup, but as an asset I can't imagine his value is going to be higher than current and we need to capitalize before his play begins to fall off and his contract becomes immovable

 

[canuckslover10]

At this point I don't want to trade either of them and I think it would be beneficial if we just added a top 4 dman instead of all this nonsense, we are not going to get equal value in return.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah Pettersson would but Miller wouldn't, I agree there.

I actually think Pettersson to Columbus for Johnson+ makes a boatload of sense, even with Johnson's terrific season so far. Johnson and Provorov for Pettersson, with Columbus adding futures to close out the value difference there, seems really reasonable as a base on paper. Issue there is I don't think Johnson has played much center this year where he'd basically need to play center if he's being moved in that kind of deal.

I don’t think he’s playing center at all, he’s basically a winger at this point.

 

[Quinning]

I'm not going to be one to say that Miller won't bring back a good return, but this idea that Vancouver will be able to bring back a top tier young asset from another team for him is downright laughable. Teams aren't going to trade a 22 year old, recent #5 overall pick that is currently pacing for 70 points for a soon to be 32 year old Miller.

It's a lot more realistic that you get like 2 very good 27-31 year old players along with a 1st and a prospect for Miller if you're trading him, maybe something like a 2C, middle pair RD, a prospect and a 1st. Using the NYI just as an example, you'd be more likely looking at something like Pulock, Nelson and futures for Miller.

Oh God, I remember you from the Miller to Pittsburgh days.

 

[SEALBound]

If you sent Pettersson out for Johnson and Provorov as a base, I wonder if you could make additions on either side to get an extra pick from Columbus? Like EP40+Hoglander+Mynio for Johnson, Provs, and a 2nd/1st.

Then send Lekkerimaki + 2nd/1st out for a younger center. Perhaps Pinto or maybe something around Rossi?

 

[Bankerguy]

lets just see a trade made so that this thread can shut down

 

[danisonfire]

Josh Anderson (player you don't want), Montembeault (rando average goalie) and a 2nd (bread and butter) for either. The vintage hf trade proposal format.

Out of the two I think Miller is better right now but I would put a more serious offer together for Pettersson. He would better fit the timeline.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Oh God, I remember you from the Miller to Pittsburgh days.

What?

If you would have mentioned the Guentzel to Vancouver deals, you'd have a point. I don't remember anything about Miller to the Penguins at least in the past few years. Miller to Pittsburgh hasn't been talked about in years from what I remember, mostly because the Penguins have become a bad team in the past few years.