Prospect Info: Everything Edvinsson

[jaster]

I couldn't find the old thread.

LOOK HARDER DAMN IT

 

[Detroit Knights]

I like that the discussion is split between throwing faster vs letting it happen for the guy to stop or realize it's not worth it.

I side with the waiting and see approach. It's at the end of the game, the smaller guy was frustrated. The first punch he just stared at him like "really?", not so much like he is small, but kind of like "that did nothing...seriously" then the guy tried again and that's when edvinsson took care of it. If he just went off the ice after and did nothing then I'd probably be perplexed a little and think maybe one of those punches landed well, but he was trying to fire up the crowd when leaving.

It's all about picking your battles and that just wasn't the time for it until it was pushed over to far. Exactly what I tell my son, if another kid hits you on the playground, you tell them to stop or don't do that. If they do it again, I'll defend you to anyone who questions your actions (principle, teacher, etc.) because it's fair game now. You got the warning, now it's on you. He's 4 btw. Gotta teach them young

 

[Dotter]

Reminds me of Chara and Brendan Smith. Chara laughing and tugging Smiths collar flopping him around. Smith trying to get jiggy wit it and couldn't do anything.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I like that the discussion is split between throwing faster vs letting it happen for the guy to stop or realize it's not worth it.

I side with the waiting and see approach. It's at the end of the game, the smaller guy was frustrated. The first punch he just stared at him like "really?", not so much like he is small, but kind of like "that did nothing...seriously" then the guy tried again and that's when edvinsson took care of it. If he just went off the ice after and did nothing then I'd probably be perplexed a little and think maybe one of those punches landed well, but he was trying to fire up the crowd when leaving.

It's all about picking your battles and that just wasn't the time for it until it was pushed over to far. Exactly what I tell my son, if another kid hits you on the playground, you tell them to stop or don't do that. If they do it again, I'll defend you to anyone who questions your actions (principle, teacher, etc.) because it's fair game now. You got the warning, now it's on you. He's 4 btw. Gotta teach them young

While I agree with your, "don't be a bully and start a fight but if you have to, don't afraid to finish it," mentality (that's basically what my dad told me as a kid) in hockey I agree with Newfy.

That guy was swinging wildly at Edvinsson. His teammates were reaching for Ed after he downed the guy. That senators team is about as punkish as the real senators team so swing fast, swing hard, and put them down. Don't even give them the opportunity to surprise you because they aren't kids on a playground. If they catch you buy surprise they can hurt you.

 

[Detroit Knights]

While I agree with your, "don't be a bully and start a fight but if you have to, don't afraid to finish it," mentality (that's basically what my dad told me as a kid) in hockey I agree with Newfy.

That guy was swinging wildly at Edvinsson. His teammates were reaching for Ed after he downed the guy. That senators team is about as punkish as the real senators team so swing fast, swing hard, and put them down. Don't even give them the opportunity to surprise you because they aren't kids on a playground. If they catch you buy surprise they can hurt you.

I can see arguments for both sides. But if we know that's how the organization goes, and its the end of a game, I would just wait until they play again and finish it then if it really is that big of a deal. Preference? I prefer that ed just stays on the ice after puck drop in this exact scenario and just runs him over if they are on the ice together again. If not? Then take a number (i used to be good at that) and when the next game comes up, use it as a google alert or something and remember oh yeah, I need to end him tonight, got it. lol.

Again, I see both sides. I would be indifferent either way regardless of what happened. Of course they aren't on the playground and these are grown players and if there is anything that the UFC teaches you, anyone can get caught, but edvinsson seems like the kind of guy that can take punches, at least he gives off that vibe imo. Probably his towering size, so probably not a good way to measure it lol.

 

[Frk It]

.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

That the attitude it seems like he had, and its absolutely not true. All it takes is a little jersey tug, or for him to step on a skate in a scrum like that and he slips a bit, and boom hes wearing that right on his chin.

Talking about how its on ice, and then saying provided he maintains his balance is kind of an oxymoron. Thats not a guarantee, sp protect yourself. Exact same height difference below

Yeah but you have to admit the two bigger players are nothing alike. Edvinsson is the far better skater, much better balance, longer reach, had more gear on. When Crookshank had his couple wild swings there was a very very little chance of connecting. Once Ed realized he was actually wanting to tilt it was over at that point. He locked him up, gained leverage, and easily took him down. His background was apparent.

 

[odin1981]

That the attitude it seems like he had, and its absolutely not true. All it takes is a little jersey tug, or for him to step on a skate in a scrum like that and he slips a bit, and boom hes wearing that right on his chin.

Talking about how its on ice, and then saying provided he maintains his balance is kind of an oxymoron. Thats not a guarantee, sp protect yourself. Exact same height difference below

In the video the major difference is the smaller fighter was able to quickly close the range and get into striking range for him. About midway through the taller player was able to push him out of range and the smaller player had to go defensive and wait to get back into range. Once he got under him and into range he was able to tune him up more. However the big thing that video shows me at least is that both players were actually proficient at fighting which wasn't the case in the Edvinsson fight. It's not that big of a deal and I'm just enjoying our back and forth on this topic so no worries just enjoying the conversation.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Edvinsson wouldn't be able to act like that with the bigger, meaner players at the NHL level, but I'm sure someone in the org will talk to him about that.

 

[newfy]

Yeah but you have to admit the two bigger players are nothing alike. Edvinsson is the far better skater, much better balance, longer reach, had more gear on. When Crookshank had his couple wild swings there was a very very little chance of connecting. Once Ed realized he was actually wanting to tilt it was over at that point. He locked him up, gained leverage, and easily took him down. His background was apparent.

Theyre nothing alike in the sense that if you include his time in the OHL, Valabik had roughly 100 career fights to his name and that still happened to him. I would bet a lot of money on Edvinsson getting beat up by Valabik in his prime and it still happened to him, you have to be ready

In the video the major difference is the smaller fighter was able to quickly close the range and get into striking range for him. About midway through the taller player was able to push him out of range and the smaller player had to go defensive and wait to get back into range. Once he got under him and into range he was able to tune him up more. However the big thing that video shows me at least is that both players were actually proficient at fighting which wasn't the case in the Edvinsson fight. It's not that big of a deal and I'm just enjoying our back and forth on this topic so no worries just enjoying the conversation.

So what youre saying is that there were ways for a smaller fighter to be able to win and do some damage to a bigger fighter. So dont even let a guy have a chance, if hes swinging at your head, dont sit their waith your hands at your side just because youre bigger. It might not work out next time

 

[raymond23]

 

[Run the Jewels]

I know teams are moving away from 2 d-men on the power play, but a PP unit with Edvinsson and Sandin-Pelikka would be totally badass.

 

[Chris Langlois]

I know teams are moving away from 2 d-men on the power play, but a PP unit with Edvinsson and Sandin-Pelikka would be totally badass.

I think that pair alone would be sick. Our top 4 D are going to be amazing!

 

[The Zermanator]

I think that pair alone would be sick. Our top 4 D are going to be amazing!

Especially when you consider that this would probably be the 2nd pairing behind Seider and whoever he's paired with.

 

[lilidk]

I think that pair alone would be sick. Our top 4 D are going to be amazing!

Seider is #1 Edvinsson is #2, ASP is our #3 defansman. You put #2 and #3 together, but we still don't have pair for Seider.
So ether you put Seider and Edvinsson on the first unit and give good stay home defansman to ASP or you need to trade for Actually good defansman , to play with Seider.

 

[norrisnick]

Seider is #1 Edvinsson is #2, ASP is our #3 defansman. You put #2 and #3 together, but we still don't have pair for Seider.
So ether you put Seider and Edvinsson on the first unit and give good stay home defansman to ASP or you need to trade for Actually good defansman , to play with Seider.

We've got so many LD that are coming down the pipe. One has to be not terrible, right? Johansson, Wallinder, Buium...

 

[lilidk]

We've got so many LD that are coming down the pipe. One has to be not terrible, right? Johansson, Wallinder, Buium...

You think one of those 3 could be on the first pair? I just don't see it.

 

[norrisnick]

You think one of those 3 could be on the first pair? I just don't see it.

Why not?

We've had worse D on our top pair before...

 

[lilidk]

Why not?

We've had worse D on our top pair before...

Yzerman was trying to get Trouba for that role, I am glad it didn't work out, but someone similar and smart not Dirty.
You never know maybe we already have someone, but he didn't show up yet .

 

[norrisnick]

Yzerman was trying to get Trouba for that role, I am glad it didn't work out, but someone similar and smart not Dirty.
You never know maybe we already have someone, but he didn't show up yet .

Trouba isn't a LD and wouldn't be playing next to Mo.

 

[FMichael]

Trouba isn't a LD and wouldn't be playing next to Mo.

Trouba/Chiarot would've been a nice pairing...Maybe a few lapses here and there, but they'd make up for it in the violence dept.

 

[norrisnick]

Trouba/Chiarot would've been a nice pairing...Maybe a few lapses here and there, but they'd make up for it in the violence dept.

For the opposition. Out of position or handing out PPs like Halloween candy...

AlJo + whoever over that pairing any day.

 

[Oddbob]

I know teams are moving away from 2 d-men on the power play, but a PP unit with Edvinsson and Sandin-Pelikka would be totally badass.

Why would Ed be ahead of Seider on the PP? Seider has had 3 straight NHL seasons of 40-50 pts and this year he was only on the 2nd PP unit for more than half the season. Ed had 27 and 30 pts in the AHL with I am assuming PP1 ice time, again in the AHL.

 

[norrisnick]

Why would Ed be ahead of Seider on the PP? Seider has had 3 straight NHL seasons of 40-50 pts and this year he was only on the 2nd PP unit for more than half the season. Ed had 27 and 30 pts in the AHL with I am assuming PP1 ice time, again in the AHL.

Why can't Ed and ASP be on PP2?

ASP on the PP has typically been in a DeBrincat, but slightly higher up the circle, role. So with Alex on PP1, ASP can be on PP2.

 

[ColdToiletSeats]