Speculation: Evan Bouchard asking $11M AAV on his next deal

[nucks88]

Hughes is up in only 2 years past Bouchard, lol, he will probably ask for 14+ mill then.

You pay your top players and stop whining about that.

The rising cap basically will cover all these player asks anyway, too many people think the COVID economics of the NHL are the permanent reality when that's not the case.

Three more seasons of an average of 7.85 for the reigning Norris Trophy holder…..yeah I’ll take that lol….who knows what will happen by then….

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Penguins won two Cups with that

Crosby 8.7
Malkin 9.5
Letang 7.5
MAF 5.75
Kessel 6.8

= 53% of Pittsburgh's cap on their 5 best players (the cap was 71.4 mill back then)

McDavid 16
Draisaitl 14
Bouchard 10.5
Hyman 5.5
Skinner 5 (?)

= 53% against a projected 97 million cap in two years

Can't really use this as an excuse.

Who was Pittsburgh's equivalent to taking up so much of the rest of the cap that Nurse takes up?

It would be one thing if those were Edmonton's top 5 salaries, but they're not.

 

[jackjohnson]

Just like they did this summer, huh.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

No crying here Bud, we have our top two dman locked up at a very team friendly price and the cap will be up to re-sign when the time comes ….I hope he bends the Oilers over hard…….

Quinn Hughes didn't even sign a max deal..."team friendly" though lol

 

[jackjohnson]

Do you want to know why fans of competing teams are interested in other team’s signings? It is because they set benchmarks for the signings of their own players.

Thank god Canucks signed Hughes when they did since he would be 14 million if we had to sign him now based on what others are getting except Forsling. Not sure how the heck Forsling signed for 6 million when crappier dmen like Nurse make close to 10 million per.

Quinn Hughes didn't even sign a max deal..."team friendly" though lol

Find me a Norris level dman that makes the same money as Hughes and has the same term.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Find me a Norris level dman that makes the same money as Hughes and has the same term.

this was only his 2nd contract...in 2 years he'll be asking for the bag and then some

if this was "Team friendly", he'd have signed for max term

 

[Nakawick]

If Nurse can get $9.25M, then it's a fair ask, right?

If Nurse can get 9.25M, I am worth at least 3M to the Oilers.

 

[jackjohnson]

says the dude from "Tropical" Calgary lol

players love playing here, it's pretty

 

[McFlash97]

I watched their entire run and tons of other games they are literally always on t.v. He is not a matchup or shut down d man that excels in all situations. If he did he would be worth that money. Those are the players that get paid that much. He is a great offensive D man in any other system he doesnt score as much. He isnt a top 3 d man in hockey. Great player but thats way too much money. He isnt bad defensively but he certainly isnt good either. Can he drive the play without the two best players in the league on his team? I dont think he does. He is the perfect compliment but if you over pay him too much they will never win. I dont know why people get so offended by this either.

Bouchard has driven play almost every league has has starred in. He was the man on his OHL team. I'd argue he was even more dominant in his last OHL season than Makar or Hughes in the Big 10 and H East, A good predictor of future success is your past success. I dont think hes as highly touted as the other 2, but if he popped off for say 25 + points in the playoffs and 75 points playing for the Leafs.. there would be statues of him.

Bouchard is big, hes smart, he has insane hockey IQ with the puck on his stick, the foundations are already there, defense can be taught over time.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

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wtf is this? gonna have to be specific

 

[nucks88]

Quinn Hughes didn't even sign a max deal..."team friendly" though lol

“Price”…..reading is fundamental…

 

[Soundwave]

Who was Pittsburgh's equivalent to taking up so much of the rest of the cap that Nurse takes up?

It would be one thing if those were Edmonton's top 5 salaries, but they're not.

Well you can look at both teams (15-16 Penguins).

We've established basically the top 3 forwards + starting goalie + no.1 D on both teams takes about 53% of the cap for both teams.

So then you can look at the other 47%, there's no real law that says you can only spend one way, that 47% lets say is basically your "supporting cast".

The 15-16 Penguins primarily spent that 47% on

Patrick Hornqvist, Carl Hagelin, Chris Kunitz, Trevor Daley, Ian Cole, Justin Schultz, Eric Fehr, and then they had Matt Murray break out. That's a decent group of support players, but like I wouldn't say that's an All-Star team or something.

It's not simple to project what the Oilers would spend their 47% on in 2 years time, but for the sake of arguement lets assume it looks something like this:

Nurse, Nugent Hopkins, Ekholm (resigned likely at a lower amount/retirement deal), Matt Savoie, equivalent player to Jeff Skinner, equivalent to Viktor Arivdsson, equivalent to Brett Kulak, maybe Sam O'Rielly ...

I mean it's not that difficult to match that Penguins supporting cast. It was decent but it's not like it was loaded with stars, they spent very little on their D outside of Letang and in 16-17 they didn't have Letang which is even funnier (and really if we're being honest that 16-17 Penguins effectively blows the whole "you can't have XYZ invested in only so many player" because they effectively won with 10% of their cap on the IR).

If you're the Oilers you should be looking to win here and now, not even because of cap stuff, the rising cap will give them money to resign Bouchard and McDavid, that's not an issue. They have the team now, they damn near just won, they should be looking to win in the next year or two no matter what, not because of a salary cap but because they have the experience, they have the team already. What's there to wait for.

 

[jackjohnson]

Well you can look at both teams (15-16 Penguins).

We've established basically the top 3 forwards + starting goalie + no.1 D on both teams takes about 53% of the cap for both teams.

So then you can look at the other 47%, there's no real law that says you can only spend one way, that 47% lets say is basically your "supporting cast".

The 15-16 Penguins primarily spent that 47% on

Patrick Hornqvist, Carl Hagelin, Chris Kunitz, Trevor Daley, Ian Cole, Justin Schultz, Eric Fehr, and then they had Matt Murray break out. That's a decent group of support players, but like I wouldn't say that's an All-Star team or something.

It's not simple to project what the Oilers would spend their 47% on in 2 years time, but for the sake of arguement lets assume it looks something like this:

Nurse, Nugent Hopkins, Ekholm (resigned likely at a lower amount/retirement deal), Matt Savoie, equivalent player to Jeff Skinner, equivalent to Viktor Arivdsson, equivalent to Brett Kulak, maybe Sam O'Rielly ...

I mean it's not that difficult to match that Penguins supporting cast. It was decent but it's not like it was loaded with stars, they spent very little on their D outside of Letang and in 16-17 they didn't have Letang which is even funnier (and really if we're being honest that 16-17 Penguins effectively blows the whole "you can't have XYZ invested in only so many player" because they effectively won with 10% of their cap on the IR).

If you're the Oilers you should be looking to win here and now, not even because of cap stuff, the rising cap will give them money to resign Bouchard and McDavid, that's not an issue. They have the team now, they damn near just won, they should be looking to win in the next year or two no matter what, not because of a salary cap but because they have the experience, they have the team already. What's there to wait for.

They have to win before Bouchard and Mcdavid raises. After that, it will be tough to win it all

 

[Dr Amazing]

Yeah if i was collecting 2nd assists from McDavid i would also ask for 11 million .

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Three more seasons of an average of 7.85 for the reigning Norris Trophy holder…..yeah I’ll take that lol….who knows what will happen by then….

...exactly what the other poster said will happen.

Either he'll walk to get his bag, or he'll stay and get his bag, but either way, the bag will be acquired.

 

[Soundwave]

They have to win before Bouchard and Mcdavid raises. After that, it will be tough to win it all

Not really.

If the raises to Bouchard and McDavid are roughly 10 million between the two of them, but the cap is rising almost 9 million in the same 2 year period and then you also have 5 million of Kane's salary coming off the books, you have more cap space, not less.

Some people got too used to the idea of a static, barely rising cap thinking COVID would be basically forever and don't understand that a normalized cap completely changes everything.

As long as McDavid is a top player, they are going to have a good chance at winning especially now that the group is fully battle tested in every kind of possible scenario (Cup Finals, game 7, there's really no other curveball you can throw now they've kinda experienced it all).

 

[nucks88]

...exactly what the other poster said will happen.

Either he'll walk to get his bag, or he'll stay and get his bag, but either way, the bag will be acquired.

And that will be decided by both parties then…

 

[jackjohnson]

Not really.

If the raises to Bouchard and McDavid are roughly 10 million between the two of them, but the cap is rising almost 9 million in the same 2 year period and then you also have 5 million of Kane's salary coming off the books, you have more cap space, not less.

Some people got too used to the idea of a static, barely rising cap thinking COVID would be basically forever and don't understand that a normalized cap completely changes everything.

As long as McDavid is a top player, they are going to have a good chance at winning especially now that the group is fully battle tested in every kind of possible scenario (Cup Finals, game 7, there's really no other curveball you can throw now they've kinda experienced it all).

So the cap will rise 9 mil in 2 years? Who told you that??

Most oilers fans think there will be a huge raise in cap to accomodate their players re-signing. Even if that were to happen, it will also increase the salary of depth players. So now if you want to pay someone like a zadorov in FA, you will pay 7 mil instead of 5 mil.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

So the cap will rise 9 mil in 2 years? Who told you that??

Most oilers fans think there will be a huge raise in cap to accomodate their players re-signing. Even if that were to happen, it will also increase the salary of depth players. So now if you want to pay someone like a zadorov in FA, you will pay 7 mil instead of 5 mil.

To play devils advocate here. The early expectations is 4 mil more next year according to this article sourcing cap friendly.

NHL's Salary Cap Could Climb To Nearly $90M By Next Season

For three seasons, the cap remained flat at $81.5 million, but last season, it increased by $1 million, as well as this year to $83.5 million.

frontofficesports.com

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

So the cap will rise 9 mil in 2 years? Who told you that??

Most oilers fans think there will be a huge raise in cap to accomodate their players re-signing. Even if that were to happen, it will also increase the salary of depth players. So now if you want to pay someone like a zadorov in FA, you will pay 7 mil instead of 5 mil.

Elliotte Friedman said on Oilers radio yesterday he expects the cap to rise the maximum 5% next year (92.4 mil)

 

[Soundwave]

So the cap will rise 9 mil in 2 years? Who told you that??

Elliot Friedman is saying the cap will jump again to just under 93 million for next year

Salary cap to rise to “just under $93 million” for 25-26 season - Dose.ca

In early June, we officially learned that the salary cap will rise from $83.5 million to $88 million for the 2024-2025 season. That’s already quite an increase. We’ve known that the NHL wanted to increase the ceiling for the various teams in recent years, but the losses generated by COVID-19 put...

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Alan Walsh is saying 4 mill increase for next year, followed by 5 million the year after, and then 4 million again the year past that, which would put the cap over 101 million in three years

Walsh expects that growth to continue, pushing the cap to $92 million for the 2025-26 season, and then $97 million and $101 million, which will drive significant growth in player salaries.

NHL Salary Cap Rises 5.4% as COVID-19 ‘Debt’ Extinguished

The NHL salary cap is headed for its biggest increase since the 2018-19 season, and the first bump of more than $1 million since the 2019-20 campaign.

www.sportico.com

I think 4 mill next year and then 5+ mill the following year, the following year should be larger because there's a new Canadian TV deal that will almost definitely be larger than the current one. Almost all sports deals are going up even with declining television ratings because live sports is still outdrawing any other kind of TV programming. The new NBA TV deal they got is monstrous even though their ratings are down, it's 3x the size of the previous deal, lol. The NHL's US TV deal is way bigger than the garbage one they had before too.

Then you have to factor in inflation too, when the cap was jumping like 5 mill a year a year circa 2008 ... that would be like a 7.3 million increase in today's dollars. What used to be like "only a 2.8 million rise" in the past would be more like 3.75-4 million today.

The cap is still millions behind where it should be too, it has a lot to catch up on, the salary cap had COVID not happened would probably be in the range of 94-95 million right now, we are well short of that, the next few years will see likely a boom period in catching up.

 

[jackjohnson]

To play devils advocate here. The early expectations is 4 mil more next year according to this article sourcing cap friendly.

NHL's Salary Cap Could Climb To Nearly $90M By Next Season

For three seasons, the cap remained flat at $81.5 million, but last season, it increased by $1 million, as well as this year to $83.5 million.

frontofficesports.com

4 mil predicted doesnt mean 9 mil in course of 2 years. I deal with facts not projections that might or might not happen. It is easier to predict the 4 mil rise to cap this year but still need to wait for official announcement.

 

[jackjohnson]

Elliot Friedman is saying the cap will jump again to just under 93 million for next year

Salary cap to rise to “just under $93 million” for 25-26 season - Dose.ca

In early June, we officially learned that the salary cap will rise from $83.5 million to $88 million for the 2024-2025 season. That’s already quite an increase. We’ve known that the NHL wanted to increase the ceiling for the various teams in recent years, but the losses generated by COVID-19 put...

dose.ca

Alan Walsh is saying 4 mill increase for next year, followed by 5 million the year after, and then 4 million again the year past that, which would put the cap over 101 million in three years

Walsh expects that growth to continue, pushing the cap to $92 million for the 2025-26 season, and then $97 million and $101 million, which will drive significant growth in player salaries.

NHL Salary Cap Rises 5.4% as COVID-19 ‘Debt’ Extinguished

The NHL salary cap is headed for its biggest increase since the 2018-19 season, and the first bump of more than $1 million since the 2019-20 campaign.

www.sportico.com

I think 4 mill next year and then 5+ mill the following year, the following year should be larger because there's a new Canadian TV deal that will almost definitely be larger than the current one. Almost all sports deals are going up even with declining television ratings because live sports is still outdrawing any other kind of TV programming. The new NBA TV deal they got is monstrous even though their ratings are down, it's 3x the size of the previous deal, lol.

Then you have to factor in inflation too, when the cap was jumping like 5 mill a year a year circa 2008 ... that would be like a 7.3 million increase in today's dollars.

The cap is still millions behind where it should be too, it has a lot to catch up on, the salary cap had COVID not happened would probably be in the range of 94-95 million right now, we are well short of that, the next few years will see likely a boom period in catching up.

We have to wait and see regarding those projections. Its kind of hard to predict how much the cap will go up and how much NHL gets from the new TV deal. Lots of variables at play here so am not going to speculate on what the numbers will look like.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

McDavid 16
Draisaitl 14
Bouchard 10.5
Hyman 5.5
Skinner 5 (?)

= 53% against a projected 97 million cap in two years

Can't really use this as an excuse.

We've reached the point where Oiler fans just pretend that Darnell doesn't exist anymore apparently.

 

[Soundwave]

We've reached the point where Oiler fans just pretend that Darnell doesn't exist anymore apparently.

I did a breakdown of the other 47%, the point holds. The Penguins didn't have some All-Star team with the other 47% of cap, the Oilers can put together something comparable, yes even with Nurse.