CanadienShark
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I didn't expect much, and I'm still coming away disappointed. Awful ranking.
Amazing avatar and username dude. I'm just finishing Toast of London, I think I have about 3 episodes left. Have you seen my Matt Berry Appreciation Thread?
lol damn I always thought that was a pic of Mike Myers from So I Married An Axe MurdererI don't frequent the non hockey portion of this site. Good to see another Berry enjoyer here.
Karlsson first team all star 5x to Hedman 1Datsyuk and Hedman should be much higher. No way in hell Karlsson should be ranked above Hedman.
Hedmans ability to defend to Karlsson looking like a chicken with its head cut off in the defensive zoneKarlsson first team all star 5x to Hedman 1
Karlsson 3 Norris trophies to Hedman 1
Think it’s fine as is.
Hedmans ability to defend to Karlsson looking like a chicken with its head cut off in the defensive zone
Hedmans 2 cups and 1 Conn Smythe to Karlssons 0
Hedman being a physical monster while still being able to skate and produce offensively at an elite level
It isn't close, everyone knows Karlsson won his Norris' because of his offensive output, guys horrendous defensively
Poor assessment of my argument, my argument is Hedman won 2 cups and a playoff MVP and is significantly better defensively than Karlsson, while being slightly worse offensively.Your argument appears to be "I know a lot more than the people voting for the awards".
Poor assessment of my argument, my argument is Hedman won 2 cups and a playoff MVP and is significantly better defensively than Karlsson, while being slightly worse offensively.
It's not even close, straight up disrespectful to suggest Karlsson is better or was better.
Everyone knows the Norris was legit handed to him because he scored points, voters ignored how bad he was in his own end, literally just a handful of posters, mostly Sens fans that still try and debate that.
Still 5x first team all star to Hedmans 1.Hedmans ability to defend to Karlsson looking like a chicken with its head cut off in the defensive zone
Hedmans 2 cups and 1 Conn Smythe to Karlssons 0
Hedman being a physical monster while still being able to skate and produce offensively at an elite level
It isn't close, everyone knows Karlsson won his Norris' because of his offensive output, guys horrendous defensively
I'll take 2 cups a conn smythe and elite 2 way D-man over Karlsson every single day of the week. His defensive flaws are way too big to ignore, if he was average defensively sure I could understand it. But the guy was literally Jake Gardiner bad defensively, we can't pretend like that isn't a thing.Still 5x first team all star to Hedmans 1.
Hedman couldn’t get the second spot on the first team all star.?
So Morgan Reilly bad then, I don’t think he’s as bad as him.. But the guy was literally Jake Gardiner bad defensively, we can't pretend like that isn't a thing.
Even worse defensively, literally Jake Gardiner esque in his own end. Always lost and out of position, extremely softSo Morgan Reilly bad then, I don’t think he’s as bad as him.
I think that 2017 run for Ottawa, Karlsson was just as impactful, if not more so, than Hedman's performance in either Cup win. He almost took a Cinderella Sens team that had no business being out of the first all the way to the Cup finals (thank you, Kunitz!).I'll take 2 cups a conn smythe and elite 2 way D-man over Karlsson every single day of the week. His defensive flaws are way too big to ignore, if he was average defensively sure I could understand it. But the guy was literally Jake Gardiner bad defensively, we can't pretend like that isn't a thing.
insane thinking otherwiseInsane to have Bergeron at 10
Agree, if not for Kunitz, likely would also win the cup and becomes hands down winner for Conn Smythe, he even had votes losing in double OT.I think that 2017 run for Ottawa, Karlsson was just as impactful, if not more so, than Hedman's performance in either Cup win. He almost took a Cinderella Sens team that had no business being out of the first all the way to the Cup finals (thank you, Kunitz!).
I understand your argument regarding Hedman's two-way ability but peak Karlsson was an absolute force. You could argue that he titled the ice even more than guys like Makar and Hughes currently do. Would Tampa still win their two Cups if you had 2017 Karlsson on the team, supported by their stacked d-core? I'd say almost certainly, as he dragged a significantly worse team to the Conference Finals himself.I'll take 2 cups a conn smythe and elite 2 way D-man over Karlsson every single day of the week. His defensive flaws are way too big to ignore, if he was average defensively sure I could understand it. But the guy was literally Jake Gardiner bad defensively, we can't pretend like that isn't a thing.