As a Leafs fan, I think Dion Phaneuf has the potential to be this type of defenseman. Do you agree?
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As a Leafs fan, I think Dion Phaneuf has the potential to be this type of defenseman. Do you agree?
Voodoo Child
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If he plays the type of D for us he did after we got him and gets his scoring touch back mos def.
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I don't think Karlsson is a franchise defenceman-to be either. I think his max potential is to be a mix of Niklas Kronwall and Sergei Zubov, his mid potential is to be Toby Enstrom and his poor case scenario is to be Anton Stralman.
Somewhat unrelated (because Karlsson is not Keith) but I think Duncan Keith is simultaneously not a franchise defenceman and the best defenceman in the league, if that makes any sense.
I think so. Calgary may really regret this trade in a few years if they don't already.
This is Karlsson's only problem defensively.... as long as he doesn't stand idle infront of the net, he will be an elite offensive defenseman
This is really comparing apples to oranges.
Schenn: very good, young, shutdown dman with excellent size, defensive positioning and physical edge. However, not a strong skater and not much of an offensive talent in general.
Karlsson: very good, young, offensive dman with excellent skating, a nice shot and good playmaking/puckmoving skills. However, undersized, and hasn't shown anything too special defensively.
They're both nice young players, and both different enough that all you're gonna get is Toronto fans picking Schenn, with Ottawa fans picking Karlsson. I could see Schenn peaking at a roughly prime Robyn Regehr, with Karlsson peaking at a roughly prime Kimmo Timonen, and I'm really not sure who I'd pick between those two.
Schenn: very good, young, shutdown dman with excellent size, defensive positioning and physical edge. However, not a strong skater and not much of an offensive talent in general.
Karlsson: very good, young, offensive dman with excellent skating, a nice shot and good playmaking/puckmoving skills. However, undersized, and hasn't shown anything too special defensively.
They're both nice young players, and both different enough that all you're gonna get is Toronto fans picking Schenn, with Ottawa fans picking Karlsson. I could see Schenn peaking at a roughly prime Robyn Regehr, with Karlsson peaking at a roughly prime Kimmo Timonen, and I'm really not sure who I'd pick between those two.
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Best analysis yet, no homer points, straight to the point and true. I think Schenn will be a bit like Phillips, solid shut down guy, good leader and can chip offensively. Schenn can improve his skating just like Phillips did.
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To be honest, I haven't really watched too much of Schenn because the Leafs have been done by x-mas pretty much both years he's been in the NHL. He hasn't gotten a good shot at making the playoffs and/or playing in real meaningful games down the stretch. He really needs something like that to really start to cement his career and make alot of progress in my opinion.
As for Karlsson, his offensive upside to me is tremendous. I think comparisons to being a 2nd tier offensive player from the backend are a bit unfair and leaves me thinking he is underated on these boards. There's no doubt, he's a high risk player and made some bonehead plays throughout the season and into the playoffs. But those mistakes will come down with experience.
As someone mentioned, it will be interesting to see how each player does this year and we can look back to compare.
As for Karlsson, his offensive upside to me is tremendous. I think comparisons to being a 2nd tier offensive player from the backend are a bit unfair and leaves me thinking he is underated on these boards. There's no doubt, he's a high risk player and made some bonehead plays throughout the season and into the playoffs. But those mistakes will come down with experience.
As someone mentioned, it will be interesting to see how each player does this year and we can look back to compare.
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I have a great deal of trouble evaluating defense. It is hard to know when a Dman makes a defensive error that coaches can easily recognize. This is why I have trouble know how good Schenn is/will be.
Karlsson is just fun to watch, so I prefer him.
Wish I could add more, but who cares what I think :-p
Karlsson is just fun to watch, so I prefer him.
Wish I could add more, but who cares what I think :-p
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That's something I really want to see him do more of. He's laid some pretty good hits, but he hasn't "erased" or "crushed" anyone yet (I.E. he hasn't had any hits like the ones Phaneuf and Komisarek do, the ones that really hurt).
Basically, I wanna' see him erase someone off an NHL roster for an extended period of time. Only then will he truly be "The Human Eraser."
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Pretty sure that hit was after Phaneuf's arrival, am I right? That is Luke's best career hit, a pretty good one, but I'll show you what I mean when you "erase" someone.
Kyle Okposo; erased from the roster for the rest of preseason. That's what I want to see Schenn do to someone (preferably during the regular season).
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The most impressive thing Schenn's done is checking Malkin. To knock down a star of his caliber is something that is more impressive than checking a 5,10" nobody. (not calling okoposo a nobody but checking a star cleanly is one of the hardest things in hockey)
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That was a good hit as well, but again, not "bone crunching." Malkin got up 2 seconds later and was completely fine.
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Pretty good analysis, but I am not too sure yet that Karlsson will be able to play the same kind of defense as Timonen. Karlssons defensive brain seems somewhat scattered still, but he works hard and will improve in that part of the game.
A somewhat overlooked part of Kimmo's game (not by fans of teams he is playing on) is his defensive hockey sense and ability to shut down big time players. Just ask Ovechkin, he must hate Timonen's guts
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William Hylander
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Embedding doesn't seem to work sometimes strange.
Malkin actually has a couple of Highlight Reel hits against him, but the Witt one is the hardest.
But Schenn doesn't go out of his way to destroy someone like Phaneuf would.
Almost all of Schenn's checks are finished and he doesn't go out of position when he does them.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Karlsson is getting a little underrated defensively. He does make bone-headed moves sometimes but it's the nature of his game. However, he is not a complete liability defensively and anyone who watched the Sens-Pens series would have seen Karlsson shadow Malkin the entire series. He messed up on one or two occasions and others were cause of Sutton's slow reaction time compared to the Penguins' speed.
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Just thought it would be a valid argument. I prefer to post other people's opinions rather than mine.
Just thought it would be a valid argument. I prefer to post other people's opinions rather than mine.
Funny you mention that because Karlsson nailed Malkin in the playoffs. All of his 5'11, 170lbs flying into the big ol' Russian. So I guess it's not that big of a deal?
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Funny you mention that because Karlsson nailed Malkin in the playoffs. All of his 5'11, 170lbs flying into the big ol' Russian. So I guess it's not that big of a deal?
Twice if i re-call and the one you are thinking of was a pretty darn good one.
This is what I'm saying, that trade would be terrible for BOTH teams. We have discussed this: Schenn fits the Leafs as a Defensive D-man. Karlsson fits the Sens as an Offensive D-man.
They both fit what each team needs.
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