Value of: Erik Karlsson to last minute contender?

[pth2]

My bad because both Montreal and Ottawa were mentioned, I thought he meant he lived in Montreal not Ottawa. Which i knew he still had a home in Ottawa.

Keeping in mind Montreal and Ottawa are 2h apart, and most players live in the West Island (ie, closer to Ottawa), and if Karlsson really wants to move close to home then Montreal is a logical destination.

Not that I'm sure I want my Habs to get a risky contract at this stage in the rebuild. I wouldn't want a Karlsson contract to make it impossible to re-sign a Dach or Caufield...

TBH I'm not sure there's a deal here since Montreal won't want to pay prime assets for a guy currently on the tail end of his prime, and it will make no sense for SJ to move him for "cheap" only to lower their cap hit somewhat.

 

[TheBeard]

Keeping in mind Montreal and Ottawa are 2h apart, and most players live in the West Island (ie, closer to Ottawa), and if Karlsson really wants to move close to home then Montreal is a logical destination.

Not that I'm sure I want my Habs to get a risky contract at this stage in the rebuild. I wouldn't want a Karlsson contract to make it impossible to re-sign a Dach or Caufield...

TBH I'm not sure there's a deal here since Montreal won't want to pay prime assets for a guy currently on the tail end of his prime, and it will make no sense for SJ to move him for "cheap" only to lower their cap hit somewhat.

West Island as in Pierrefonds, DDO, Pointe Claire?

 

[habsfan44]

I think the Sharks won’t have a choice here. The Sharks will keep Karlsson for as long as he’s willing to stay until the final year of his deal. Once he wants out, they’ll retain what they have to in order to get a deal done to move on. What that looks like will largely be up to Karlsson.

I think this is the right answer , Karlsson seems to have found his mojo and is playing great , may as well keep him and make the most of it rather than take a sub par offer with retention . At the very least he'll put asses in the seats and in the last year you'll still be able to move him for something good at the deadline if he lifts his NMC .

 

[Ciao]

It's nice that Karlsson is having his best season in five years, but that's one heck of a contract. Best of luck moving it.

 

[RipsADrive]

It's nice that Karlsson is having his best season in five years, but that's one heck of a contract. Best of luck moving it.

Ya this return to form might be San Jose's best chance to find someone to dump the final years of that contract.

I'm not so sure they should quibble too much about the return if they can find a taker.

 

[Ciao]

Ya this return to form might be San Jose's best chance to find someone to dump the final years of that contract.

I'm not so sure they should quibble too much about the return if they can find a taker.

If they can find a taker and if Karlsson waives his NMC.

I don't think the Sharks are that desperate to do what might be needed to move that contract.

If the player is happy in California and is playing well of late, then it might be best for both of them to not throw that all away and to just enjoy that instead.

 

[voyageur]

My prediction is that Victor Hedman finally gets his wish to play with Karlsson, and Tampa gives up Namestnikov (by threatening to send him to Syracuse otherwise), Myers, their 2025 1st (it's a Florida thing), their 2024 2nd, and some prospect (Howard?) for at least 30% retention on Karlsson, and make the Cap by putting someone on LTIR until the playoffs.

 

[Hookslide]

It's nice that Karlsson is having his best season in five years, but that's one heck of a contract. Best of luck moving it.

Just another contract albatross around the leafs neck...........have fun

 

[Golden_Jet]

If they can find a taker and if Karlsson waives his NMC.

I don't think the Sharks are that desperate to do what might be needed to move that contract.

If the player is happy in California and is playing well of late, then it might be best for both of them to not throw that all away and to just enjoy that instead.

Kinda like the leafs trying to move Tavares contract with a NMC. Very hard. Even though EK outperforming JT.

 

[pth2]

West Island as in Pierrefonds, DDO, Pointe Claire?

Yup.... but also Kirkland and Hudson, apparently.

I don't think this will have changed with the new practice facility in Laval, which means they basically only drive downtown on game days.

A guy like Karlsson could settle down in Hudson and have relatives 90 minutes drive away.

It's nice that Karlsson is having his best season in five years, but that's one heck of a contract. Best of luck moving it.

Sometimes I wonder if players consider how hard a contract will be to move when they sign it.

Apparently Gallagher was lukewarm on staying on a rebuilding team, but I couldn't help but think he likely won't have a choice. Similar situation for Karlsson IMO. Few contenders have room for 6M or 11M players on long-term deals. (and if they do, they want to keep that room to retain the guys making that team a contender).

 

[TheBeard]

Yup.... but also Kirkland and Hudson, apparently.

I don't think this will have changed with the new practice facility in Laval, which means they basically only drive downtown on game days.

A guy like Karlsson could settle down in Hudson and have relatives 90 minutes drive away.

I used to live in DDO. Used to play hockey in Guy Carbonneau’s driveway with a bunch of other kids. Didn’t know that many players still lived out there. Figured they’d have moved to westmount.

 

[Jerkbait]

It's nice that Karlsson is having his best season in five years, but that's one heck of a contract. Best of luck moving it.

Very easy to move to a serious contender who needs that type of D.
Now where does he end up ??
Top 3.
1. Detroit
2. Florida
3. Stays put

 

[Henkka]

Very easy to move to a serious contender who needs that type of D.
Now where does he end up ??
Top 3.
1. Detroit
2. Florida
3. Stays put

Detroit - cap space

Florida - no cap space

Easy answer.

 

[The Red Helmet]

Sabres should just make an offer that takes on the whole contract and roll with Karlsson, Dahlin, Sameulsson and Power. Of course they have to convince Karlsson to come to Buffalo.

 

[Savant]

Detroit makes sense if they keep it up

 

[Habs Halifax]

I apologize but Gallagher is an actual millstone while Karlsson would be the best player on many teams in the league.

And your argument was Gallagher is less risky at 6.5 vs EK at 9.5. which to me is a lil crazy. Even a broken one leg Karlsson is more valuable than Gallagher at those cap hits.

Who knows what the future holds but I think Karlsson will be a star player even at 36 like most Hall of Famers are. Karlssons most dangerous weapon is his mind and that doesn't really go away. So if he can stay healthy I see no reason why he would not be a positive net asset, even at 9.5 mill ( with cap going up).

Just don't see why the Sharks would trade their best player on retention for a 3rd liner making 6 mill without some major gravy.

The error here is thinking Karlsson holds $11.5M value from age 32-36. I do think he ages better than Gallagher but there are risks to both contracts. What you are doing is holding Karlson at a higher sustainable rate and lowering Gallagher. I think the difference here is Gallagher as a overpaid 3rd liner and Karlsson as a overpaid top 4D. I'm not completely buying his rebound after 20 games or so.

Risks to both contracts and one almost has double the cap hit vs the other.

My mind is at who Karlsson would waive his NMC for? How many teams will that be and is the Habs one of them. If so, we can talk and Gallagher would have to go the other way for cap reasons. Then I ponder on what we would have to add. Depends on how bad the Sharks want to unload the contract but if they are after a 1st and A prospect on top, Habs are out.

Laugh at this if you want but a lot of Habs fans would say no to a Karlsson/Gallagher flip even if Karlsson had some retention. Lots of Habs fans are willing to let Gallagher's contract ride out. Bergevin made the mistake and we have to live with it.

 

[pth2]

The error here is thinking Karlsson holds $11.5M value from age 32-36. I do think he ages better than Gallagher but there are risks to both contracts. What you are doing is holding Karlson at a higher sustainable rate and lowering Gallagher. I think the difference here is Gallagher as a overpaid 3rd liner and Karlsson as a overpaid top 4D. I'm not completely buying his rebound after 20 games or so.

Risks to both contracts and one almost has double the cap hit vs the other.

My mind is at who Karlsson would waive his NMC for? How many teams will that be and is the Habs one of them. If so, we can talk and Gallagher would have to go the other way for cap reasons. Then I ponder on what we would have to add. Depends on how bad the Sharks want to unload the contract but if they are after a 1st and A prospect on top, Habs are out.

Laugh at this if you want but a lot of Habs fans would say no to a Karlsson/Gallagher flip even if Karlsson had some retention. Lots of Habs fans are willing to let Gallagher's contract ride out. Bergevin made the mistake and we have to live with it.

I share your opinion.... Karlsson has a higher potential performance, but also with a higher cap hit and comes higher risk.... and an underperforming defenseman can be much harder to carry on a team than a hard-working winger who can't score (ie, what Gallagher is right now).

I can live with Gallagher overpaid by 3-4M or so, and think if he's still healthy he could be moved in 2 years for a reasonable pick (ie, not a first) if the Habs need cap room at that point (keeping in mind the cap will be increasing rapidly by then). Even at 9.5M Karlsson in 2 years would be unmovable, IMO if underperforming.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I share your opinion.... Karlsson has a higher potential performance, but also with a higher cap hit and comes higher risk.... and an underperforming defenseman can be much harder to carry on a team than a hard-working winger who can't score (ie, what Gallagher is right now).

I can live with Gallagher overpaid by 3-4M or so, and think if he's still healthy he could be moved in 2 years for a reasonable pick (ie, not a first) if the Habs need cap room at that point (keeping in mind the cap will be increasing rapidly by then). Even at 9.5M Karlsson in 2 years would be unmovable, IMO if underperforming.

Fans are going to get caught in a knot on this narrative but it's valid. The bigger question is how bad do the Sharks want to trade Karlsson to unload the cap hit and what contract are they OK taking back.

The other angle is are the Sharks looking to unload the contract and also get futures? Combine this with Karlsson having a NMC and limiting who they can talk to.... which affects his value (whatever that value is).

I think Karlsson is stuck with the Sharks for a while yet. Difficult contract to move considering his NMC and flat cap from across the NHL. Cap is growing next season but not enough to unblock moving a contract this size.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I share your opinion.... Karlsson has a higher potential performance, but also with a higher cap hit and comes higher risk.... and an underperforming defenseman can be much harder to carry on a team than a hard-working winger who can't score (ie, what Gallagher is right now).

I can live with Gallagher overpaid by 3-4M or so, and think if he's still healthy he could be moved in 2 years for a reasonable pick (ie, not a first) if the Habs need cap room at that point (keeping in mind the cap will be increasing rapidly by then). Even at 9.5M Karlsson in 2 years would be unmovable, IMO if underperforming.

It’s not necessarily true that a higher cap hit means a higher risk. A 6.5 mil player that is 3rd line level is more risky due to lack of reward compared to even 11.5 mil for someone who can still be one of the best in the league. Gallagher is the riskier contract. Karlsson’s issues haven’t really been about performance as much as staying healthy. I’d still much rather take my chances moving Karlsson down the line than Gallagher. Gallagher may not even be NHL caliber in two years. There’s no such concerns for Karlsson.

Besides I don’t see why Gallagher wouldn’t have San Jose on his no trade list.

 

[voyageur]

Detroit makes sense if they keep it up

What's wrong with Seider and Hronek? That's two good RD, not sure that's a position they need to upgrade.

This whole thread is misleading because it talks about Karlsson going to a contender, but there's a couple of pages of Montreal and Ottawa fans clamouring for him.

Leafs would make alot of sense. I think Karlsson would give them a top ranked PP, better breakouts, and have a positive effect in the development of a player like Lillegren, who's starting to come into his own. Leafs window with this core is short, so that would be an all in move by Dubas. A prospect like Robertson probably would probably appeal to Grier. But the Leafs would have to dump some salary for it to work, even with Muzzin on LTIR, I'd say at least $3 million, and need to get a minimum 25% retention.

I said Tampa but the accounting for the Cap next year makes it impossible.

Don't really see any other fits for contenders.

 

[Groo]

What's wrong with Seider and Hronek? That's two good RD, not sure that's a position they need to upgrade.

This whole thread is misleading because it talks about Karlsson going to a contender, but there's a couple of pages of Montreal and Ottawa fans clamouring for him.

Leafs would make alot of sense. I think Karlsson would give them a top ranked PP, better breakouts, and have a positive effect in the development of a player like Lillegren, who's starting to come into his own. Leafs window with this core is short, so that would be an all in move by Dubas. A prospect like Robertson probably would probably appeal to Grier. But the Leafs would have to dump some salary for it to work, even with Muzzin on LTIR, I'd say at least $3 million, and need to get a minimum 25% retention.

I said Tampa but the accounting for the Cap next year makes it impossible.

Don't really see any other fits for contenders.

Why would an undersize forward appeal to Grier? More like a forward with size and who can skate

 

[TheBeard]

It’s not necessarily true that a higher cap hit means a higher risk. A 6.5 mil player that is 3rd line level is more risky due to lack of reward compared to even 11.5 mil for someone who can still be one of the best in the league. Gallagher is the riskier contract. Karlsson’s issues haven’t really been about performance as much as staying healthy. I’d still much rather take my chances moving Karlsson down the line than Gallagher. Gallagher may not even be NHL caliber in two years. There’s no such concerns for Karlsson.

Besides I don’t see why Gallagher wouldn’t have San Jose on his no trade list.

It’s easier to replace a third liner for minimal dollars than it is a top 4d so I can understand the sense of increased risk.

 

[Gubbhornet]

Looks like we’ve found one of Ek’s sources

HockeyBuzz.com - Forums - Eklund: Source: Leafs, Hawks AND Sharks working to bring Karlsson to Toronto (e3)

www.hockeybuzz.com

Haha, this is just hilarious!

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It’s easier to replace a third liner for minimal dollars than it is a top 4d so I can understand the sense of increased risk.

I can understand the sense but I believe it to be misguided given these specific circumstances.

 

[Jerkbait]

Detroit - cap space

Florida - no cap space

Easy answer.

Yet Florida might be the front runner here. Dont back yourself into a corner with cap space. The cats have aleast one bad contract that could be shed for cap space.

Detroit may be too far out for EK while Florida is attractive.