Value of: Erik Karlsson to last minute contender?

[CapSpace]

Yeah no they're not, Cold day in hell before Karlsson would waive for that joke of a team.


Karlsson isn't going back to Ottawa, Nuff said.

Ok salty boy.

 

[PatrikBerglund]

There's no way Mike Grier is eating over $28,000,000 on Erik Karlsson for the next 5 years, While eating over slightly $5,000,000 on Brent Burns for the next 3 years. Not what rebuilding teams do.

That's exactly what rebuilding teams do.

Would he rather pay 56 000 000?

 

[Big Muddy]

Yeah team has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Florida doesn’t have assets for us to take on Bob AND give them Karlsson unless they send us Lundell.

I've noticed the Don Quixote phenomena in here is a trend. There's always going to be someone that will champion & defend their team and want a huge return for their guy in situations like this. Its a daunting task that must be tiring. Things are never as good as wishful thinking make them out to be sadly, but keep up the good fight I guess.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

That's exactly what rebuilding teams do.

Would he rather pay 56 000 000?

Yes he would unless he gets an amazing offer for retaining that much. They are already retaining Burns and have a Martin Jones buyout hit, it would take a lot for the organization to carry that much dead cap space.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Yeah no they're not, Cold day in hell before Karlsson would waive for that joke of a team.


Karlsson isn't going back to Ottawa, Nuff said.

Why not, he still lives there in the summers.

 

[Golden_Jet]

There's no way Mike Grier is eating over $28,000,000 on Erik Karlsson for the next 5 years, While eating over slightly $5,000,000 on Brent Burns for the next 3 years. Not what rebuilding teams do.

About 39.5 left , not 28, so I agree he won’t eat that much.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Montreal one of few teams who have the caproom long term.

The real question is what teams would Karlsson open up his NMC for? Are the Habs on his list? There was a rumor that is wife wanted to go back close to home before he extended with the Sharks. Remember that?

Habs would be interested if Karlsson came with retention. Maybe $2M and we are able to send Gallagher the other way. If the Sharks want 1st rounders and A prospects in this deal, we walk away.

Age 32-36 with $2M retention ($9.5M). That's more risky than Gallagher from age 30-34 at $6.5M but I do think Karlsson would fit the Habs well. Of course Karlsson is performing better than Gallagher so Habs would have to add but that cap hit concerns me (even at $9.5M after retention).

What would the Habs have to add on Gallagher? We won't be trading any of our 1st rounders but there is a possibility we trade prospects in areas where we are strong.

I don't know... this one makes me ponder and I'd have to think about it a lot. It could be click bait with Karlsson performing well at the moment but how long does it last?

 

[Gecklund]

I've noticed the Don Quixote phenomena in here is a trend. There's always going to be someone that will champion & defend their team and want a huge return for their guy in situations like this. Its a daunting task that must be tiring. Things are never as good as wishful thinking make them out to be sadly, but keep up the good fight I guess.

I’m so proud of you that you’ve read a book. Congrats. Keep up the good work! Go back to Psych 101 bud.

 

[Hodge]

I’m so proud of you that you’ve read a book. Congrats. Keep up the good work! Go back to Psych 101 bud.

You always get so defensive over the slightest bit of pushback to your posts that are 99% delusional nonsense. You’re allowed to be as shameless a homer as you want but don’t be surprised when someone calls you out on it in a main board thread.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

No team should touch that contract given his injury history regardless of how well he's playing.

This indeed…..buyer beware of Fool‘s Gold….add to that a full NMC and he can stop anything which further restricts the buyer pool.

 

[Sky04]

This indeed…..buyer beware of Fool‘s Gold….add to that a full NMC and he can stop anything which further restricts the buyer pool.

4 more years at 11M... yikes.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why not, he still lives there in the summers.

Why would he leave one rebuilding team for another? Pretty sure he'd love to win a cup before he retires. And that's not Happening in Montreal.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Why would he leave one rebuilding team for another? Pretty sure he'd love to win a cup before he retires. And that's not Happening in Montreal.

He lives in Ottawa not Montreal.
Why did you even mention Montreal, when this what I responded to.
Karlsson isn't going back to Ottawa, Nuff said.

 

[Hookslide]

That's exactly what rebuilding teams do.

Would he rather pay 56 000 000?

Would it make sense to add another team to any deal, and any idea how it something like that would work ?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The real question is what teams would Karlsson open up his NMC for? Are the Habs on his list? There was a rumor that is wife wanted to go back close to home before he extended with the Sharks. Remember that?

Habs would be interested if Karlsson came with retention. Maybe $2M and we are able to send Gallagher the other way. If the Sharks want 1st rounders and A prospects in this deal, we walk away.

Age 32-36 with $2M retention ($9.5M). That's more risky than Gallagher from age 30-34 at $6.5M but I do think Karlsson would fit the Habs well. Of course Karlsson is performing better than Gallagher so Habs would have to add but that cap hit concerns me (even at $9.5M after retention).

What would the Habs have to add on Gallagher? We won't be trading any of our 1st rounders but there is a possibility we trade prospects in areas where we are strong.

I don't know... this one makes me ponder and I'd have to think about it a lot. It could be click bait with Karlsson performing well at the moment but how long does it last?

what?? how is gallagher less risky. the guy sucks! Karlsson can still play at an elite level lol. one is a HoF player who can clearly still dominate the other never cracked 60 points.

jeeez

 

[TheBeard]

what?? how is gallagher less risky. the guy sucks! Karlsson can still play at an elite level lol. one is a HoF player who can clearly still dominate the other never cracked 60 points.

jeeez

Agreed. If we end up retaining and taking Gallagher, whose contract is I think the same length left as Karlsson, then we're more or less still paying the same amount for a player roughly the same age but not nearly as valuable.

 

[Habs Halifax]

what?? how is gallagher less risky. the guy sucks! Karlsson can still play at an elite level lol. one is a HoF player who can clearly still dominate the other never cracked 60 points.

jeeez

Avoid the "What??" and "Jeeez" approaches. It not necessary.

It's less risky cause it's less cap hit. OH... Karlsson is having a good start to the season and he is a star again and will remain that way until age 36? What happens if both players become anchor contracts? One has a $6.5M cap hit and the other is at $11.5M.

Of course I think Karlsson ages better. I actually said it in one of my posts. But spare me with the Karlsson is back baby type narrative. Gallagher is included cause it's a cap issue. Not sure what the Habs will have to add but if it's a 1st and Grade A prospects, Habs are out.

This is about how many teams Karlsson is willing to open his NMC for and how much the Sharks want to unload that monstrous cap hit. Gallagher contract is not good. I didn't pretend it to be good but there are risks to Karlsson's contract from age 32-36 at that cap hit.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Avoid the "What??" and "Jeeez" approaches. It not necessary.

It's less risky cause it's less cap hit. OH... Karlsson is having a good start to the season and he is a star again and will remain that way until age 36? What happens if both players become anchor contracts? One has a $6.5M cap hit and the other is at $11.5M.

Of course I think Karlsson ages better. I actually said it in one of my posts. But spare me with the Karlsson is back baby type narrative. Gallagher is included cause it's a cap issue. Not sure what the Habs will have to add but if it's a 1st and Grade A prospects, Habs are out.

This is about how many teams Karlsson is willing to open his NMC for and how much the Sharks want to unload that monstrous cap hit. Gallagher contract is not good. I didn't pretend it to be good but there are risks to Karlsson's contract from age 32-36 at that cap hit.

I apologize but Gallagher is an actual millstone while Karlsson would be the best player on many teams in the league.

And your argument was Gallagher is less risky at 6.5 vs EK at 9.5. which to me is a lil crazy. Even a broken one leg Karlsson is more valuable than Gallagher at those cap hits.

Who knows what the future holds but I think Karlsson will be a star player even at 36 like most Hall of Famers are. Karlssons most dangerous weapon is his mind and that doesn't really go away. So if he can stay healthy I see no reason why he would not be a positive net asset, even at 9.5 mill ( with cap going up).

Just don't see why the Sharks would trade their best player on retention for a 3rd liner making 6 mill without some major gravy.

 

[TheBeard]

I apologize but Gallagher is an actual millstone while Karlsson would be the best player on many teams in the league.

And your argument was Gallagher is less risky at 6.5 vs EK at 9.5. which to me is a lil crazy. Even a broken one leg Karlsson is more valuable than Gallagher at those cap hits.

Who knows what the future holds but I think Karlsson will be a star player even at 36 like most Hall of Famers are. Karlssons most dangerous weapon is his mind and that doesn't really go away. So if he can stay healthy I see no reason why he would not be a positive net asset, even at 9.5 mill ( with cap going up).

Just don't see why the Sharks would trade their best player on retention for a 3rd liner making 6 mill without some major gravy.

If the Sharks are retaining on EK, then theoretically we're essentially paying a million more to have Gallagher in our lineup than Montreal would be to have EK in theirs (6.5+2 vs 11.5-2). Would be an insanely dumb trade for the sharks if they're not getting something else as well.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

How about for Tavares + picks/prospects? San José saves a couple of big contract years.

Looks like we’ve found one of Ek’s sources

HockeyBuzz.com - Forums - Eklund: Source: Leafs, Hawks AND Sharks working to bring Karlsson to Toronto (e3)

www.hockeybuzz.com

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If the Sharks are retaining two mil and taking Gallagher back then I’d expect at least one significant future asset and a secondary future asset as well. Saving three mil in cap space isn’t a great deal for this situation unless Karlsson is forcing the issue.

If Montreal is trying to get Karlsson on the cheap then I think they’d do something like Savard, Matheson, or Edmundson, and Hoffman with a 2nd for Karlsson at the full hit.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He lives in Ottawa not Montreal.
Why did you even mention Montreal, when this what I responded to.
Karlsson isn't going back to Ottawa, Nuff said.

My bad because both Montreal and Ottawa were mentioned, I thought he meant he lived in Montreal not Ottawa. Which i knew he still had a home in Ottawa.

 

[Golden_Jet]

My bad because both Montreal and Ottawa were mentioned, I thought he meant he lived in Montreal not Ottawa. Which i knew he still had a home in Ottawa.

No worries, plus his wife and her family are from Ottawa.

 

[PelagicJoe]

SJ is stuck with that contract barring a massive overpayment from the other team. I see a buyout happening before a trade, at least up until his contract is in the last year or two.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

No worries, plus his wife and her family are from Ottawa.

Yup, So it makes total sense that he could return to Ottawa, just not sure if Dorian would want to part with assets for him. Plus still pay anywhere from $8,000,000-$9,000,000 per for 4,5 years for an injury prone RD.