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Speculation: Erik Karlsson on the move at the deadline?

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Empoleon8771 said:
The reason they might not retain on him right now is that they only have 1 retention slot, they're using their other 2 on Petry and Smith. They probably want to use that last spot to drive up the return for Pettersson and then will use a retention slot on Karlsson in the off-season.

Especially with Karlsson getting a $5 million signing bonus on July 1st, I think we'll see Karlsson traded right after that bonus is paid. How much retention is based on how much the cap goes up, Karlsson is only owed $11.5 million after that bonus is paid (with San Jose paying $1.5 million of that). If the cap goes up a lot, I could see Karlsson getting traded with fairly low retention due to the low money owed and everyone having a lot of cap space.
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Sure, I just don't know what return is expected. Recouping the return he got when he was coming off a Norris Trophy win seems unlikely. Light retention or not.
 
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Curious if Detroit would trade EK for Copp + Holl.
Pittsburgh gets a bit of cap back and two M-NTC instead of a NMC. EK has 3 years. Copp has 3. Holl at 2 years.
Maybe get those two back on their game enough to move them in future TDLs.
I still maintain the Yzerplan is to get a 100% Swedish team. Pittsburgh, I mean I guess you move Karlsson for the sake of Karlsson. I don't know what sort of leverage they have to get more, especially with a NMC as part of the formula.
 
n8 said:
Curious if Detroit would trade EK for Copp + Holl.
Pittsburgh gets a bit of cap back and two M-NTC instead of a NMC. EK has 3 years. Copp has 3. Holl at 2 years.
Maybe get those two back on their game enough to move them in future TDLs.
I still maintain the Yzerplan is to get a 100% Swedish team. Pittsburgh, I mean I guess you move Karlsson for the sake of Karlsson. I don't know what sort of leverage they have to get more, especially with a NMC as part of the formula.
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Honestly, not to be rude, but I think there would have to be a significant add from the wings. Like a first or a blue chip. Copp and Holl aren't doing anything to help the Penguins. They aren't that valuable and make it difficult for the Penguins to weaponize cap space. It also blocks other younger players. So there would have to be incentive. I'm not sure I see a prospect to do it. Danielson, Kasper, Wallander, and Buium are attractive but I don't see them being realistic additions. That said, I'm not sure a 1st alone is enough either.

Something like Copp + 1st for EK retained might work though. Unless we can work Rasmussen in...he's the ideal target but I imagine you'd want to keep him for the same reasons we'd want him. Unless we can send you DOC as a fill in.
 
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You don't necessarily have to retain salary. He's a good guy to have on a rebuilding team. Now you have an offensive player that is fun to watch while you lose. I could see a bottom feeding team having interest.
 
tiburon12 said:
Karlsson needs to be "the guy" on defense wherever he goes. Van doesn't have that opportunity
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he doesnt need to be the "guy on defense. hughes already has been carrying this team for months now. karlsson would fit right in and people can focus on him instead. or teams have to figure out a way to stop either 1 or the other. if hughes not on ice. karlsson the focus vice versa.
 
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David71 said:
he doesnt need to be the "guy on defense. hughes already has been carrying this team for months now. karlsson would fit right in and people can focus on him instead. or teams have to figure out a way to stop either 1 or the other. if hughes not on ice. karlsson the focus vice versa.
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why do you think that will work? He was excellent in Ottawa as "the guy" and scored 101 points as "the guy" on the sharks. Every season he's had to share top dog responsibilities he hasnt been great. This exact reasoning is why the trade to Pitt was stupid from the start (since they have Letang).

Why are people trying to triple down on something that demonstrably doesnt work??
 
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I guess I'm one of the few guys who still sees Karlsson as a major impact player. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired, sure, but he's a minute-eating game-breaker who still makes a lot of things happen out there. With some retention from the Pens, I think he could bring a ton of value to a team. Just my $0.02.
 
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Ah F it, I’m going in.

Karlsson 30% + Pettersson for Chabot and Jensen.

Karlsson back home, Jersey sales and ticket sales revenue skyrockets and they make a move for a playoff push.

Pitts gets younger and gets a guy to lead the team as their #1 (since he lost that job to Sanderson) and also Jensen for another season.
 
tiburon12 said:
why do you think that will work? He was excellent in Ottawa as "the guy" and scored 101 points as "the guy" on the sharks. Every season he's had to share top dog responsibilities he hasnt been great. This exact reasoning is why the trade to Pitt was stupid from the start (since they have Letang).

Why are people trying to triple down on something that demonstrably doesnt work??
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Who is the "top dog" he's sharing that title with in Pittsburgh? The ghost of Kris Letang?
 
Manhattan said:
Ah F it, I’m going in.

Karlsson 30% + Pettersson for Chabot and Jensen.

Karlsson back home, Jersey sales and ticket sales revenue skyrockets and they make a move for a playoff push.

Pitts gets younger and gets a guy to lead the team as their #1 (since he lost that job to Sanderson) and also Jensen for another season.
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Jensen is a deal breaker. He has been a great stabilizing force to the Senators defense.
 
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Manhattan said:
Ah F it, I’m going in.

Karlsson 30% + Pettersson for Chabot and Jensen.

Karlsson back home, Jersey sales and ticket sales revenue skyrockets and they make a move for a playoff push.

Pitts gets younger and gets a guy to lead the team as their #1 (since he lost that job to Sanderson) and also Jensen for another season.
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Ottawa trading away their best D pairing would not be wise imo. I'd love to see Karl come back home (w/50% retention) but to play with Kleven at 5v5 and QB pp#1

FerrisRox said:
Who is the "top dog" he's sharing that title with in Pittsburgh? The ghost of Kris Letang?
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Letang plays almost a minute more than him per game, so ya, he's "top dog"
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think the Penguins would likely do this but I think they'd probably prefer to retain a bit to get a better return.

I think the Phaneuf and Burns deals are both reasonable trades to point at for a base for a Karlsson trade. Ideally the Penguins both retain like San Jose did on Burns while also taking back numerous cap dumps like Toronto did for Phaneuf. The only issue with Ottawa is that the Penguins likely need a RD back as one of the dumps and I think both Jensen and Zub are too much for that.

The basis I'd be shooting for is something like Karlsson at $7 million for a $4 million cap dump/replacement RD, $3 million cap dump forward and the equivalent futures of a late 1st, 2 2nds or a 2nd and a B prospect.
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They aren't getting all of that.
 
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