Traded Erik Brännström - D - Part III

[Ice-Tray]

Branstrom is definitely the new Balcers.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I guess you either get it or you don't with Brannstrom and I don't get it. More than happy to change the look of the 3rd pairing and Kleven fits the bill of exactly what we want, so give him a chance. I'm all for shoring up the D with another change, but don't care about this guy being gone one little bit.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I see the usual little sarcastic shots about some not getting over losing some marginal players but the jokesters might still not understand what the real problem is. It's not about letting Brannstrom go (during the offseason when support players have no value), it's about who stays OVER the player.

In the current scenario, we plan to incorporate a pure rookie with 17 NHL games and have Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker to round out the spots #5-7 on defense...

I know Dorion is the one who signed Hamonic and gave him a NMC but Hamonic instead of Brannstrom is an ultra terrible swap despite Hamonic being taller and tougher

While it was not the exact same situation, waiving 22 y/o Balcers during a rebuild to "protect" terrible hockey players like Galchenyuk, Paquette and Anisimov is just another sign that your management is terrible at pro scouting and has no idea what they are doing. Those who resisted for years finally had to understand how bad of a GM Dorion was.



I agree that the first problem was the contract that Dorion gave him. If it was somewhere around 1.2 and 1.5, Brannstrom could possibly still be here and there wouldn't have been an issue

Also agree about Kleven, we need to develop him anyway because we expect/want him to be part of the future. However I would MUCH rather have Kleven-Brannstrom than Kleven-JBD or Hamonic

Yes Gregor is a super fast skater but he is an offensive player like a Gaudette, if he is not putting points he is useless and can actually hurt you defensively. Kelly is not as fast or talented but plays hard, hits a lot and is quite better defensively, Would much rather have Kelly on the 4th line than Gregor.

And if this team needs speed, LOL at paying to trade Joseph while paying more to get another PP weapon like Perron. Really stupid

Brannstrom on his off-side would be a horrible partner for Kleven, Kleven would have to babysit him because Brannstrom would get bullied in the corners every single shift. They need a RHD who can hold their own physically and can make the simple plays. Hamonic fits that description more than Brannstrom does. Hamonic isn't ideal though, and they have the cap room and time to find a better option.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Brannstrom on his off-side would be a horrible partner for Kleven, Kleven would have to babysit him because Brannstrom would get bullied in the corners every single shift. They need a RHD who can hold their own physically and can make the simple plays. Hamonic fits that description more than Brannstrom does. Hamonic isn't ideal though, and they have the cap room and time to find a better option.

Did they do exactly this last year and had very good results?

 

[Micklebot]

Did they do exactly this last year and had very good results?

I have no issues with moving on from Brannstrom but I do have to wonder about some of the claims about him...

Like, you're right, he looked more than fine on his offside with Kleven. Why are we pretending that would be terrible?

Having said that, If he was willing to sign here for the same deal he signed in Colorado I'd have kept him around but I don't think that option was ever actually on the table.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have no issues with moving on from Brannstrom but I do have to wonder about some of the claims about him...

Like, you're right, he looked more than fine on his offside with Kleven. Why are we pretending that would be terrible?

Having said that, If he was willing to sign here for the same deal he signed in Colorado I'd have kept him around but I don't think that option was ever actually on the table.

No I don’t think it was on the table
I specifically remember him and kleven together and Branny on his offside. And it worked well.

Branny did a good job with the minutes he was given. Were they ideal minutes from a team perspective? Maybe not but also it’s our third pair. The issue is that chabot- whoever or chychrun-whoever struggled and also korpisalo let every third shot in

 

[Micklebot]

No I don’t think it was on the table
I specifically remember him and kleven together and Branny on his offside. And it worked well.

Branny did a good job with the minutes he was given. Were they ideal minutes from a team perspective? Maybe not but also it’s our third pair. The issue is that chabot- whoever or chychrun-whoever struggled and also korpisalo let every third shot in

My biggest issue with Brannstrom is having him in the lineup prevents us from having a PK specialist in that spot. He's a great 7th D option that can step into the top 4 if there's an injury, but I want my 3rd pair to provide bend don't break mins with tough deployment, and be able to physically wear down opposing forwards, the more hard mins they can eat up the more the skilled guys can get desirable matchups and take advantage.

I want guys like Gryba, Holden (the first year version) and Boro as my third pair archetype, these guys are getting 60% of their starts in the DZ and among the team leaders in PK too, they get crapped on by a lot of fans but they facilitate the skilled players getting the deployment they need to shine.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

My biggest issue with Brannstrom is having him in the lineup prevents us from having a PK specialist in that spot. He's a great 7th D option that can step into the top 4 if there's an injury, but I want my 3rd pair to provide bend don't break mins with tough deployment, and be able to physically wear down opposing forwards, the more hard mins they can eat up the more the skilled guys can get desirable matchups and take advantage.

I want guys like Gryba, Holden (the first year version) and Boro as my third pair archetype, these guys are getting 60% of their starts in the DZ and among the team leaders in PK too, they get crapped on by a lot of fans but they facilitate the skilled players getting the deployment they need to shine.

Yeah and that’s totally fair.

I thought the problem here was brannstrom partner was usually very very bad. And chychrun nor chabot kill penalties. So from a pure balance point of view. Maybe. A better pker was needed instead of brannstrom. We don’t even know if kleven is a great at the pk.

And right now his partner will be not very good either. We need to fix that number 6 spot.

But either way now I don’t think kleven nor that 6 can step up if there’s an injury

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah and that’s totally fair.

I thought the problem here was brannstrom partner was usually very very bad. And chychrun nor chabot kill penalties. So from a pure balance point of view. Maybe. A better pker was needed instead of brannstrom. We don’t even know if kleven is a great at the pk.

And right now his partner will be not very good either. We need to fix that number 6 spot.

But either way now I don’t think kleven nor that 6 can step up if there’s an injury

Kleven has everything you want from a pk Dman, great size, long stick, mobile, he should thrive in the role though I'll grant he is unproven but he's been relied on in that role in every other league, so I'm fairly confident it will come but maybe not right off the bat.

I'm probably higher on Kleven than some, I see a lot of Carlo in him.

 

[JungleBeat]

Really don't recall Norris being that fast.

Because he’s not.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Because he’s not.

Third on the Sens for top speed, behind Stutzle, then Sanderson, then Norris.
84th percentile in league.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Because he’s not.

Apparently he is though.

 

[DrEasy]

My biggest issue with Brannstrom is having him in the lineup prevents us from having a PK specialist in that spot. He's a great 7th D option that can step into the top 4 if there's an injury, but I want my 3rd pair to provide bend don't break mins with tough deployment, and be able to physically wear down opposing forwards, the more hard mins they can eat up the more the skilled guys can get desirable matchups and take advantage.

I want guys like Gryba, Holden (the first year version) and Boro as my third pair archetype, these guys are getting 60% of their starts in the DZ and among the team leaders in PK too, they get crapped on by a lot of fans but they facilitate the skilled players getting the deployment they need to shine.

We added Jensen though, so that's one extra PKer.

I liked having the option of Brannstrom as someone who can play either side, and is available to step into the top 4 when Chabot inevitably gets injured.

Sanderson - Zub <- top pairing, and top PK line
Chabot - Jensen <- Jensen + Kleven as our 2nd PK pairing
Kleven - JBD/Brannstrom
Hamonic

I totally get the fact that at $2M/yr Brannstrom was not cost effective, but at the price Colorado got him it was a no-brainer.

Let's see who they find to provide the D depth. Right now I'm not comfortable starting the season with a Kleven - JBD pairing, and with no depth on the LD or RD side.

 

[OD99]

Third on the Sens for top speed, behind Stutzle, then Sanderson, then Norris.
84th percentile in league.

You and your silly facts. Norris is slow because people say he is.

 

[bert]

I agree that the first problem was the contract that Dorion gave him. If it was somewhere around 1.2 and 1.5, Brannstrom could possibly still be here and there wouldn't have been an issue

Also agree about Kleven, we need to develop him anyway because we expect/want him to be part of the future. However I would MUCH rather have Kleven-Brannstrom than Kleven-JBD or Hamonic

Yes Gregor is a super fast skater but he is an offensive player like a Gaudette, if he is not putting points he is useless and can actually hurt you defensively. Kelly is not as fast or talented but plays hard, hits a lot and is quite better defensively, Would much rather have Kelly on the 4th line than Gregor.

And if this team needs speed, LOL at paying to trade Joseph while paying more to get another PP weapon like Perron. Really stupid

Why do you want to overpay for a player that was a bottom pairing d man. The market has told you Brannstrom is basically on a try out contract. Thats a very poor allocation of cap space.

JBD is a natural righty and makes less than Brannstrom he is a better actual defender. I am hoping his game grows under a real NHL coaching staff. I see no real difference for this team in the grand scheme of things.

Gregor is a defensive forward and PK specialist he is nothing like Gaudette. Strange scouting report. He is a lateral move with Kelly but again makes less money and adds more speed which Ottawa did lose in Joseph.

I think you'd have to be pretty naive to not see the types of players management moved out. I did not like the Joseph deal but he was very inconsistent and was scratched for a reason. They want a culture shift in the dressing room. The three most inconsistent players were shown the door.

Perron brings over 1100 regular season games. Over 100 playoff games two finals a cup and has consistently produced and is a consistent player day to day. He provides leadership, it was obvious with how inconsistent this team is from game to game this is what they are trying to stabilize. He plays a heavier game than Joseph too, he's an upgrade not only on the ice but in the room and in the community.

Why do you want these fringe players to stay with the team when all they have done is lose? I dont get it. Stockholm syndrome.

Hamonic's NMC is the only reason he is still here. I think they will bury him one way ore another if he shows he cant play. I dont think they believe in buying players out and I like it frankly. Try and get creative. Its also Andlauers money, easy to say just buy him out from the nose bleeds.

 

[bert]

Gregor has always been seen as a skilled offensive player, like Gaudette. He has 40 pts in 43 AHL games. Both aren't the strongest guys out there but Gregor plays more fearless. I don't mind the signing, he is a good reclamation project and could still improve defensively with experience (it was the first time he had a PK role last season). The point is that Kelly was better built for a 4th line role with his physicality and defensive awareness. Maybe Staios wants to get more offense from the 4th line, we'll see what will happen with that line and how it's going to be built. As of now, we only know one member of that line.



I wouldn't trade Joseph at 4.0 AAV for Perron at 3.0 AAV and a 3rd

Joseph is 9 years younger, a much better skater, much better PKer (Perron doesn't even PK) and OUTSCORED Perron at even strength last season (33 vs 30 pts) in 4 less games. Perron is more skilled overall and has good hockey sense so he's going to be better on the PP but did we need Kubalik as a PP weapon last season? Same thing again

I dont think you have been watching these players at all. Especially the last part. Kubalik is vanilla as it gets Perron does not play that way. He is great at holding onto puck down low. Something this team is terrible at.

Again a really weird scouting report on Gregor they are nothing alike.

 

[Mookie McGee]

There is only one sad aspect of Brannstrom moving on, and that is, as someone who sits in the Sens family section, his girlfriend was by far the most smoking hot of any in those seats. His weak efforts in puck battles are understandable to a degree, because of the off ice stuff was probably killer for his stamina.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I have no issues with moving on from Brannstrom but I do have to wonder about some of the claims about him...

Like, you're right, he looked more than fine on his offside with Kleven. Why are we pretending that would be terrible?

Having said that, If he was willing to sign here for the same deal he signed in Colorado I'd have kept him around but I don't think that option was ever actually on the table.

Sometimes I think its a “circle the wagons” type phenomena at work. Some feel compelled to kick the guy and dump on a player that is departing and on their way out. It’s some kind of psychological factor at work that maybe makes people feel better.

 

[aragorn]

With Chychrun, Branmnstrom, Chabot & Sanderson we had too much of the same thing, none of them are hitters, none of them are very tough & none of them are able to clear the front of the net, too much of the same thing. They needed to get bigger on D, they needed to get tougher on D & they needed to add guys who hit & can clear the front of the net & are harder to play aginst & don't allow players to skate into our end unscathed.

Obviously Chabot & Sanderson are better than Brannstrom, I don't thing anyone can argue that & Chychrun just didn't fill the role we expected from him. Most agreed that the Defence was a problem & changes had to be made & Chychrun & Brannstrom were the casualties of those changes. IMO Jensen & Kleven improve the defence in the direction of being harder to play against, I don't know if it's the final pairings, I doubt it & a couple more changes should be forthcoming at some future point on defence.

 

[Cosmix]

There is only one sad aspect of Brannstrom moving on, and that is, as someone who sits in the Sens family section, his girlfriend was by far the most smoking hot of any in those seats. His weak efforts in puck battles are understandable to a degree, because of the off ice stuff was probably killer for his stamina.

I think you were looking at her too much to the detriment of your hockey assessments of players! Just kidding!

 

[Wondercarrot]

so…
His last GM Dorion had looked at trading him
His 2nd last coach DJ suspended him for something
His last coach Martin who was essentially there to help evaluate who to keep/move along had 1/2 year up close with him
Alfie had a year with him (see Martin, above)
His new GM Staios obviously looked at moving him.
I’ll bet Rob DiMaio who is supposed to be an excellent pro scout had a say as well
They ended up moving a pick with him to move his salary despite having the space.
Simpson mentioned again that he has an unpredictability to his game that makes it hard to play with him/within the system to know what you’re getting.

At some point I think it’s ok to acknowledge that maybe they have better overall knowledge of his fit and value to the org.

 

[BigRig4]

so…
His last GM Dorion had looked at trading him
His 2nd last coach DJ suspended him for something
His last coach Martin who was essentially there to help evaluate who to keep/move along had 1/2 year up close with him
Alfie had a year with him (see Martin, above)
His new GM Staios obviously looked at moving him.
I’ll bet Rob DiMaio who is supposed to be an excellent pro scout had a say as well
They ended up moving a pick with him to move his salary despite having the space.
Simpson mentioned again that he has an unpredictability to his game that makes it hard to play with him/within the system to know what you’re getting.

At some point I think it’s ok to acknowledge that maybe they have better overall knowledge of his fit and value to the org.

I think you meant to post this in the Joseph thread

 

[Loach]

so…
His last GM Dorion had looked at trading him
His 2nd last coach DJ suspended him for something
His last coach Martin who was essentially there to help evaluate who to keep/move along had 1/2 year up close with him
Alfie had a year with him (see Martin, above)
His new GM Staios obviously looked at moving him.
I’ll bet Rob DiMaio who is supposed to be an excellent pro scout had a say as well
They ended up moving a pick with him to move his salary despite having the space.
Simpson mentioned again that he has an unpredictability to his game that makes it hard to play with him/within the system to know what you’re getting.

At some point I think it’s ok to acknowledge that maybe they have better overall knowledge of his fit and value to the org.

Sometimes it just don't work. We have all worked with a person who is a good person, but it's just chaos with them around. They look busy as hell, but not much gets done. They're all over the place, like in other peoples space so it hurts those peoples ability to do thier job. And they have the knack of somehow dragging others with them, unless said person is mentally strong to the point of being an asshole.

I think you meant to post this in the Joseph thread

Ah shit. I did it too.

 

[bicboi64]

I see the usual little sarcastic shots about some not getting over losing some marginal players but the jokesters might still not understand what the real problem is. It's not about letting Brannstrom go (during the offseason when support players have no value), it's about who stays OVER the player.

In the current scenario, we plan to incorporate a pure rookie with 17 NHL games and have Travis Hamonic and Jacob Bernard-Docker to round out the spots #5-7 on defense...

I know Dorion is the one who signed Hamonic and gave him a NMC but Hamonic instead of Brannstrom is an ultra terrible swap despite Hamonic being taller and tougher

While it was not the exact same situation, waiving 22 y/o Balcers during a rebuild to "protect" terrible hockey players like Galchenyuk, Paquette and Anisimov is just another sign that your management is terrible at pro scouting and has no idea what they are doing. Those who resisted for years finally had to understand how bad of a GM Dorion was.

I agree that the first problem was the contract that Dorion gave him. If it was somewhere around 1.2 and 1.5, Brannstrom could possibly still be here and there wouldn't have been an issue

Also agree about Kleven, we need to develop him anyway because we expect/want him to be part of the future. However I would MUCH rather have Kleven-Brannstrom than Kleven-JBD or Hamonic

Yes Gregor is a super fast skater but he is an offensive player like a Gaudette, if he is not putting points he is useless and can actually hurt you defensively. Kelly is not as fast or talented but plays hard, hits a lot and is quite better defensively, Would much rather have Kelly on the 4th line than Gregor.

And if this team needs speed, LOL at paying to trade Joseph while paying more to get another PP weapon like Perron. Really stupid

Agreed with everything you posted, but I don't think they'd have been able to keep Brannstrom because of the stupid contract Dorion gave him yesterday. He'd end up costing $2 million again and at that point becomes a luxury for what he brings to the table.

Having said that, the situation is absolutely giving me vibes of so many moves during the Dorion eta of giving spots to crappier/more useless intangible bringing players.

We're going to majorly eff up Kleven's development by playing him with Hamonic or ruin both him and JBD by playing them together.

Still plenty of time to cement that third pairing. Could've gotten Dylan Coghlan from the Canes, but there's still time to get a Bortuzzo, Shattenkirk, or Scandella to insulate Kleven.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

There is only one sad aspect of Brannstrom moving on, and that is, as someone who sits in the Sens family section, his girlfriend was by far the most smoking hot of any in those seats. His weak efforts in puck battles are understandable to a degree, because of the off ice stuff was probably killer for his stamina.

That's probably why he was traded. The #6D having the hottest girlfriend is bad for the room.