Traded Erik Brännström - D - Part III

[GermanSpitfire]

That is more evidence of those silly stats being useless than the Sens D pairings being really good.

Assen na yo!

I agree, I hate fancy stats - unless it’s praising my guys, then it‘s good gas.

 

[Micklebot]

That is more evidence of those silly stats being useless than the Sens D pairings being really good.

Assen na yo!

Eh, what it's evidence of is more that those pairing are being deployed in situations where they can be successful.

If you choose to interpret them as a means to rank defensive pairings the way the tweet appears to be doing, that's a user error.

 

[Sensinitis]

Good thing we have Hamonic and Holden to carry those two pairings

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Brannstrom's biggest weaknesses are getting beat wide and failing to box out in front of the net. Neither of these struggles are due to him making the wrong decision or reacting badly to the play... it's because those are physical elements of the game and he is one of the smallest players in the league. I actually think his reads are quite good, but his size limits what he can do, even if his read is perfect.

Yeah it looks like you haven't watched Sens games in the last month.

 

[Masked]

Eh, what it's evidence of is more that those pairing are being deployed in situations where they can be successful.

If you choose to interpret them as a means to rank defensive pairings the way the tweet appears to be doing, that's a user error.

The tweet is literally "Best defence pairings with 50 minutes played" with an image attached. Choosing that to mean anything other than that, such as being deployed in situations where they can be successful, is a user error.

Assen na yo.

 

[Micklebot]

The tweet is literally "Best defence pairings with 50 minutes played" with an image attached. Choosing that to mean anything other than that, such as being deployed in situations where they can be successful, is a user error.

Assen na yo.

The tweet made the user error. You claimed that the tweet was evidence the stats are useless, when in reality they were just being misused.

So your argument boiled down to because that guy tweeting doesn't know how to interpret the data, the data is useless. Seems a bit backwards to me.

 

[Masked]

The tweet made the user error. You claimed that the tweet was evidence the stats are useless, when in reality they were just being misused.

So your argument boiled down to because that guy tweeting doesn't know how to interpret the data, the data is useless. Seems a bit backwards to me.

What is the data useful for? Rating their effectiveness on how they're deployed? How is that useful? It says nothing when a pairing like Nurse-Ceci, whom I strongly suspect plays a huge amount with McDavid/Daisaitl, is rated highly but with those 2 MVPs hugely influencing the numbers.

The numbers also don't account for such a small sample size so far this season.

assennayo

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Yeah it looks like you haven't watched Sens games in the last month.

Lmao. Yeah, you're right, Brannstrom has no limitations to his game. He is an elite defensive player who can't be physically beat.

I have zero respect for your opinion, which is why I didn't respond to you in the first place... you clearly feel the same way about me, so maybe you should do the same.

 

[BondraTime]

The tweet made the user error. You claimed that the tweet was evidence the stats are useless, when in reality they were just being misused.

So your argument boiled down to because that guy tweeting doesn't know how to interpret the data, the data is useless. Seems a bit backwards to me.

Both in this case.

Useless data, being used in an incorrect manner

 

[Micklebot]

What is the data useful for? Rating their effectiveness on how they're deployed? How is that useful? It says nothing when a pairing like Nurse-Ceci, whom I strongly suspect plays a huge amount with McDavid/Daisaitl, is rated highly but with those 2 MVPs hugely influencing the numbers.

The numbers also don't account for such a small sample size so far this season.

assennayo

If you think a means of evaluating effectiveness in their respective deployment is useless that's on you, not me... Drai and McDavid are part of that deployment, and sure, they will likely have a pretty big impact, but you can still draw conclusions about whether that deployment is acceptable for those defenders or if it needs to be adjusted to get the desired results.

Your second point is getting back to interpretation of the stats, was it a sufficient sample to get useful information? Perhaps, or perhaps not (xgf stats use high event stats so the sample needed to provide stable results is pretty small), but that doesn't mean the metric provides no value, it just means more data is needed before drawing conclusions.

 

[GCK]

Eh, what it's evidence of is more that those pairing are being deployed in situations where they can be successful.

If you choose to interpret them as a means to rank defensive pairings the way the tweet appears to be doing, that's a user error.

So good coaching?

 

[Micklebot]

So good coaching?

Idk if you can draw that broad of a conclusion, but it's not not good coaching....


Branny took a puck in the face in practice, needs some stitches but will be gtg.

 

[JD1]

To respond to this. Last game after the first goal they absolutely shredded him lmao. They almost never ever single out guys on goals against. On that first goal they just droned on and on about how poor brannstrom played it.


His defending has been good this year.

Why would
His size make a difference? If he was bad at defence at this size he would be bad at defence at any other size.

Chabot lost his guy and that led to the 2 on 1

 

[GCK]

Chabot lost his guy and that led to the 2 on 1

Chabot caused the two on one, Brannstrom played it poorly and Dallas got a lucky bounce as well.

We won, guys make mistakes. Both Brannstrom and Chabot contributed to the win.

 

[playasRus]

Perpetuating my "Brannstrom always looks like a toddler with cuts on his face" thought:

 

[JD1]

Chabot caused the two on one, Brannstrom played it poorly and Dallas got a lucky bounce as well.

We won, guys make mistakes. Both Brannstrom and Chabot contributed to the win.

Without the lucky bounce is it a goal? Likely not.

Hockey is a fast game. These are the best players in the world. Sometimes instead of casting blame, it's simply more appropriate to tip your hat and acknowledge the other guys will score too. Not saying you're casting blame.

We won. Quite impressively too.

On to the next game

 

[Emrasie]

Perpetuating my "Brannstrom always looks like a toddler with cuts on his face" thought:

At least he is not afraid to sacrifice his body

 

[SensFan1010]

Chabot lost his guy and that led to the 2 on 1

Its very clear that was chabots mistake that lead to the goal. He over committed to the play got burned then didnt take his man on the back check causing to the confusion for brannstrom.

 

[Xspyrit]

There's still people out there trying to tell me that Erik Brannstrom is a bust...

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Branny needs to QB the Pp

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Branny needs to QB the Pp

I prefer Sanderson. But Branny does it well.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I prefer Sanderson. But Branny does it well.

Now sure Sanderson moves with puck as quick as Brannstrom.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

At one point Branny was QBing the PP1 and doing it very well. The commentators were musing that it should be Chabot. At this point Sandy and Branny seem to be better options.

 

[cudi]

At one point Branny was QBing the PP1 and doing it very well. The commentators were musing that it should be Chabot. At this point Sandy and Branny seem to be better options.

Gary Galley had a real rough night last night. Just some terrible takes

 

[bert]

To respond to this. Last game after the first goal they absolutely shredded him lmao. They almost never ever single out guys on goals against. On that first goal they just droned on and on about how poor brannstrom played it.


His defending has been good this year.

Why would
His size make a difference? If he was bad at defence at this size he would be bad at defence at any other size.

You serious here?