Epic Calder Race 2024-25

[danisonfire]

That's debatable and certainly not to the extent Faber was the undisputed #1 D in Minny and wasn't sheltered.

Hutson has the most points but Hab fans know how import Guhle and Matheson have been to the team so I wouldn't equate the 2.

I would put Hutson above Guhle this year. He is #58 in the NHL for defensive point shares at 5.8. Guhle is 89th. Guhle was playing on the wrong side a lot of the season and has only recently returned to his natural side. He wasn't the same all season.

The team situation with the black Hawks last year was crap and voters don't really care all that much for +/- and Bedard had the narrative last season.

We were picked to finish the same place as that Chicago team and were the same place after 1.5 months of the year.

Yes Hutson has helped but it has been a huge group effort.

Someone brought up Hutson on the PP this season and I went back and looked at Laines' return so I'll post the teams production form that date then go back to the 15th an do it again.

That was also when Hutson was finally put on PP1 so that is why it appears that way as Huston is one of the main reasons for the complete change in our PP.

Laine is at 10 PP goals this season. That is alread good for his third highest Powerplay goals of any season. He has six seasons below that number and two above (15 and 20). A lot of the credit for his Powerplay explosion is directly attributable to Hutson and Suzuki. Those three are what make it so dominant and one of them is a rookie D. He is having by far the biggest benefit of any one player this year for our team. I was always expecting Hutson to be good, he has just crushed even my high expectations.

Montreal's addition of Laine was also calculated in all the pre-season predictions. Everyone picked Montreal to finish last or second last in the conference.

Celebrini has been by far the most productive Shark since that date and it's not even really close.

While getting out produced by Hutson as a forward. Celebrini is great. I watched him numerous times as one of Hutson's teammates as well as in the NHL. Hutson is on pace to beat Bedard's rookie total as a D. He is currently having a monster year offensively.

If you would have told me that Hutson would be top 10 in NHL D scoring and ahead of all rookies in points by 5 points at this point in the season I would have probably laughed and I was one of the few screaming about how good this kid was several years ago. Go search my posts about Hutson from a few years ago. I knew he would be elite. I would have laughed at anyone saying it would have happened this fast. I haven't seen anyone on Montreal like this in several decades.

 

[MoneyManny]

You watched the game and know how horrible he played and I'm made zero mention of the Nylander goal and yes Hutson is playing with better linemates on the ice than Celebrini or heck any rookie and we don't know how voters factor that in but it's still a fact that even hab fans would agree upon right?

The Habs is a bigger franchise and receives a lot more noise and attention than the Sharks. The team has been playing hard and is having just enough success to keep everyone's confidence and drive up.

I think if Hutson has the numbers he will likely win the Calder, and you're right it won't necessarily be because he's a more valuable player than Celebrini in a vacuum. That's life though. Bill Gates isn't the only man who worked on Windows.

 

[wetcoast]

The Habs is a bigger franchise and receives a lot more noise and attention than the Sharks. The team has been playing hard and is having just enough success to keep everyone's confidence and drive up.

Yes that's true but Saturday was also on the big stage and might leave some impressions on voters, we will find out more next time some voter polls come out I guess.

I think if Hutson has the numbers he will likely win the Calder, and you're right it won't necessarily be because he's a more valuable player than Celebrini in a vacuum. That's life though. Bill Gates isn't the only man who worked on Windows.

Maybe I guess we will find out.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

"Deep diving" in stats...

PPG difference between Celebrini and Hutson:

Nov 30th
0.36

Dec 31st
0.26

Today
0.03

Hutson is well on his way of winning his 2nd rookie of the month. Well on his way of beating several D rookie records and milestones. As of now, he's the frontrunner.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Lane Hutson will win it in the end, if he doesn't get hurt

Litteraly the first answer of the thread.

I am never wrong.

 

[waitin425]

Did anyone ask Brady who is the favorite?

 

[Ezpz]

Hutson pacing for the third best rookie D season in history. It's not a debate at this point. People just have a ridiculous boner for awarding the calder to forwards who are comparatively much worse than their dmen counterparts.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Did anyone ask Brady who is the favorite?

This gif is better:

 

[Golden_Jet]

This gif is better:

That’s hilarious Brady mocking Lanes’s head fakes per 60.

 

[waitin425]

"Deep diving" in stats...

PPG difference between Celebrini and Hutson:

Nov 30th
0.36

Dec 31st
0.26

Today
0.03

Hutson is well on his way of winning his 2nd rookie of the month. Well on his way of beating several D rookie records and milestones. As of now, he's the frontrunner.

Is it still AINEC? @Zegs2sendhelp @wetcoast

You never did answer my question. What in your eyes does Lane have to do to close the AINEC gap?

 

[Bouboumaster]

That’s hilarious Brady mocking Lanes’s head fakes per 60.

He should have focused on playing the game insteaded since you know... We were kicking your ass

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Is it still AINEC? @Zegs2sendhelp @wetcoast

You never did answer my question. What in your eyes does Lane have to do to close the AINEC gap?

Celebrini has extended the gap after hutsons -5 night against a rival

Celebrini would never go -5 vs Anaheim

As for what he could do, being the best 18 year old in the nhl would help his cause

 

[waitin425]

Celebrini has extended the gap after hutsons -5 night against a rival

Celebrini would never go -5 vs Anaheim

No he wouldn't because Anaheim is dogshit.

"Hutson had a bad defensive game....therefore I am right....it is still AINEC"

Zero back down from you. Gonna stick with your "Not even close" narrative. Comical.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That’s hilarious Brady mocking Lanes’s head fakes per 60.

It was petty when you consider what happened some time before that in the game, where Lane made a fool of Brady.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No he wouldn't because Anaheim is dogshit.

"Hutson had a bad defensive game....therefore I am right....it is still AINEC"

Zero back down from you. Gonna stick with your "Not even close" narrative. Comical.

If it was AINEC last week, why would it change this week… don’t ask questions you don’t want the answers to

It pains me as an American homer to have to put Hutson at 2

 

[Benstheman]

The AINEC is actually in favor of Hutson right now.

The only reason Celebrini wins it (if the season would end today) would be because he is the latest 1OA pick and nothing else.

It's not a knock on Celebrini. But what Hutson is doing right now is just a BIG BIG tier above.

 

[Mobiandi]

It’s Wolf. The rest of the pack isn’t special whatsoever in comparison

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson


Wolf
Celebrini

Mitchkov

 

[Nicko999]

That’s hilarious Brady mocking Lanes’s head fakes per 60.

Especially considering the score.

 

[coooldude]

STANKOVEN

 

[karltonian]

Bedard

STANKOVEN

Bedard

 

[coooldude]

From the weekly Athletic rankings. The real Calder favorite are the fans.

 

[Canadienna]

From the weekly Athletic rankings. The real Calder favorite are the fans.

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I mean this is so silly.

Hutson was getting shit on all summer and early this season. People saying he wasn't even an NHLer or was supposedly terrible 5v5. Even after one weak game against Toronto a few days ago the haters showed up in force to claim they'd been right all along.

Now Hutson is having a historic rookie campaign, leading some top notch forward prospects in scoring and turning the Habs season around. Hell, he's currently on an 8 game point streak as a rookie Dman.

The truth is that Habs fans are lighting up these threads because a TON of posters on here have barely watched the kid play but have all kinds of opinions about his potential.

Pronman was just another example of it.

If they want to act like a victim at The Athletic because they hired someone who doesn't even get player bio's correct and thinks Hutson "could still become a top4 Dman", then people will see through that BS.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I mean this is so silly.

Hutson was getting shit on all summer and early this season. People saying he wasn't even an NHLer or was supposedly terrible 5v5. Even after one weak game against Toronto a few days ago the haters showed up in force to claim they'd been right all along.

Now Hutson is having a historic rookie campaign, leading some top notch forward prospects in scoring and turning the Habs season around. Hell, he's currently on an 8 game point streak as a rookie Dman.

The truth is that Habs fans are lighting up these threads because a TON of posters on here have barely watched the kid play but have all kinds of opinions about his potential.

Pronman was just another example of it.

If they want to act like a victim at The Athletic because they hired someone who doesn't even get player bio's correct and thinks Hutson "could still become a top4 Dman", then people will see through that BS.

He isn’t that great at 5 on 5 defensively.
I showed a few days ago about 5 of his defensive rankings compared to his teammates.

 

[Bouboumaster]

From the weekly Athletic rankings. The real Calder favorite are the fans.

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Lol, not our fault if The Athletic have bad/wrong takes and than don't want to pay the receipe for it