Epic Calder Race 2024-25
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crackdown44
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There only being a 3 point difference in ESP between a forward and a defenseman should be an argument for the defenseman, not the forward
FerrisRox
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The votes of the PHWA literally mean everything. Their votes determine who wins the trophy.
Are you trying to pretend that 90 percent of the voters have said Celebrini is the overwhelming favourite?
Cause the reality is that 90 percent of the voters the author spoke to have Celebrini leading right now.
You just completely made up that it was 90 percent of the actual voters and you also completely fabricated that they said he was their "overwhelming" leader.
Nobody is claiming you lack credibility for having Celebrini in the lead. What is being questioned is your dubious claim that he somehow has an overwhelming lead and what I am saying is straight up bullshit is you now pretending that 90 percent of the PHWA agree with your silly claim.
I don't know but at the beginning they said they phoned some voters but after, they wrote "90% of our panelists". Even then, they still have 42 games to play. Everything can change.
JustAHabFan
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Exactly.
No, see below.
Yes that's correct and I have followed that writer on these Award watch articles for a couple of years now and they seem pretty accurate, ie they have a large enough and varied enough sample.
No I didn't make that up it was in reference to the article.
Greg Wyshynski has really good connections among the PHWA and while we don't know the exact number of people he spoke to I remember the last one of these he did last year was pretty close to the final results across the board.
Montreal probably gets more viewing from the PHWA than San Jose as well so it's unlikely that the 90% number isn't that accurate right now.
All the voters he spoke to had Celebrini #1 on their list except 1 that had Michkov.
Will that change, probably.
My guess is that Michkov will fall behind and maybe overtaken by Wolf and Hutson solidifies a top 2 spot.
He has been second on my list for a while now.
Will it change a lot who knows but as of now it's not a hot take.
But let's follow it and see where it goes and what his numbers are the last time before voting?
karltonian
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Bank Shot
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What are you talking about? Can you explain what he does that is unique to himself?
He made two tape to tape passes to wide open guys that should have been buried and also got robbed on another goal by Van's goalie. Also played with unreal tenacity and grit.
Let's see how it all.shakes out. He is after all leading the points race for rookies. defencemen or not, it counts for something.
I don’t think it’s necessarily unique to himself but the completeness of his game at this level at his age is not something I’m sure can be compared properly but Crosby is the closest. He’s 10th all time in 18 year old scoring through their first 30 games. This race is only close due to injury and that can still make an impact on this race but if everyone stays healthy, it’s Celebrini’s to lose, period.
I think the best comparison you can give Celebrini is something along the lines of Hischier and Barkov. Perennial Selke candidate, Puts up good points and a eventual great captain who leads by example.
He's going to be such a fun watch when the Sharks make it to the playoffs again.
Stewie Griffin
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There has been extreme takes from both sides of this debate.
They are both having fantastic seasons. There is still alot of games left. Either rookie, or one of the others, can win it. No one has claimed the trophy yet.
With that said, I don't understand the backlash from that article...again no one has already won the trophy...it was an ESPN article where they polled PWHA voters (who are the actual trophy voters) not ESPN employees and said Celebrini is currently the favourite, with 90% of said voters favouring him. Yes that was one day before Hutson's 3 point game, so I'm sure that means something, but not as if one game fully sways that.
They are both having fantastic seasons. There is still alot of games left. Either rookie, or one of the others, can win it. No one has claimed the trophy yet.
With that said, I don't understand the backlash from that article...again no one has already won the trophy...it was an ESPN article where they polled PWHA voters (who are the actual trophy voters) not ESPN employees and said Celebrini is currently the favourite, with 90% of said voters favouring him. Yes that was one day before Hutson's 3 point game, so I'm sure that means something, but not as if one game fully sways that.
Yeah, I don't get the pissing contest between Hutson and Celebrini. As a Habs fan, it changes nothing whether Celebrini, Hutson, or Michkov wins it. I'm just enjoying watching an unusually strong rookie class, knowing a player for my team is in contention for the Calder.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Someone will answer "ppg" or "p60" as Celebrini hasn't played as many games, but it still leaves out the relative difference between dmen and forwards. The record for a centerman is 76 and Celebrini is pacing for 20 less than that, which will put him around 16th all-time rookie C, whereas Hutson is pacing 34-35, which is just 5-6 less than the record 40 by Murphy and would place Hutson top 10 all-time rookie dmen even-strenght points.
In his last 20 games, Hutson has been pacing Murphy's record, as he had 10 EVP in 20 games.
Lesson here is, it's always tougher for dmen to score EVP, relative to forwards.
Celebrini’s first 30 games as an 18 year old was top ten all time.
Grate n Colorful Oz
Pure Laine Hutson
Points as an 18 year old in the NHL in his first 30 games. Top ten all time.
Ghost of Murph
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My vote for winner is for who played at Boston University. Hopefully my bases are covered.
