Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Especially when you consider how quickly his pace changes due to small GP amount. He gets 2 points tomorrow night, he's back on track.
Enough excuses for Andersen and Nylander
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Especially when you consider how quickly his pace changes due to small GP amount. He gets 2 points tomorrow night, he's back on track.
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Nylander is a 20 goal/60 point guy. He has one anomalous year pacing for significantly less, and one anomalous year pacing for significantly more. Other than a 4 game hot start, he's looked a lot more like the "bad" anomalous year than the "good" one. So yes, I am concerned that he is a mere 20 goal/60 point (or worse) guy at 7 mil aav.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Spezza has given up a ton of goals against.
There is no way Boyd should come out.
BlueBaron
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Ok, I see you are looking hard for any possible negatives.
Most people would assume last year was his break out year and would understand how his hold out screwed up his season. You are working really hard to find a problem that does not exist. Again 12 points in 16 games....He was a 60 point rookie. What is more likely, he peaked as a rookie or he was going to improve? How likely is it he suddenly got worse for no real reason?
Cmon man. You're trying too hard.
A1LeafNation
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There is no way the Matthews line should have been an even last night.
Hyman Matthews Marner is the top line that should be playing 23 min a night. Engvall Spezza Boyd is the 4th line that works for 7 min a game. Also the defence is fine imo.
The remaining middle 6 needs to be sorted out, but the biggest problem is the #1 goalie.
Hyman Matthews Marner
_______ _________ _________
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Engvall Spezza Boyd
Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Dermott Bogosian
Lehtonen
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Tavares Nylander Mikheyev Thornton Vesey Simmonds Kerfoot Robertson Petan Barabanov Brooks
Don't care at this point, just figure it out.
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Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Nylander is a 20/60 guy in the worst case scenario, like in his troubled half season. He's in a slump in a small sample size and he's still over a 60pt pace. To say this is what he is shows you are rooting for him to underperform.
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I got slapped on the wrist for questioning whether it’s time to seriously consider trading Nylander but I think Dubas has to consider it now.
The list of teams who need and want him is short. I hate it for Nashville, but they need scoring in the worst way and could take a chance before Poile gets canned.
The list of teams who need and want him is short. I hate it for Nashville, but they need scoring in the worst way and could take a chance before Poile gets canned.
CabanaBoy5
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Yes but Spezza’s GF/60 is 2.75, good for 6th on the team. He’s a great face off man. That third line to be fixed and Kerfoot is not suited for that centreman role (disastrous with the goalie out last night). I still think Kerfoot is better suited as a winger.
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saffronleaf
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I would think Nylander is the frustrated one on that line, having to play with that anchor JT.
And even with all the help JT was given with Hyman, he still ruined the line.
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In one trade I feel we could really change the dynamic of the team.
I don't hate Nylander at all, but I feel Robertson can become enough of a replacement to let him go for a #1 defenceman.
Our strength could be almost flipped from the front to the back with one great trade and I'm willing to let Nylander go to make that happen.
Just speaking out loud though, I have no problem keeping him either but I'd prefer a #1 even if we have to add a pick or two to really get the man we want.
I don't hate Nylander at all, but I feel Robertson can become enough of a replacement to let him go for a #1 defenceman.
Our strength could be almost flipped from the front to the back with one great trade and I'm willing to let Nylander go to make that happen.
Just speaking out loud though, I have no problem keeping him either but I'd prefer a #1 even if we have to add a pick or two to really get the man we want.
What sense does trading Nylander make when our goalie is letting in 6 goals? It's not 2019 anymore, we don't need a defenseman, we need depth scoring and John Tavares to get his head out of his ass again.
Like, I could understand wanting to trade Nylander if we were missing defensemen still, but we have acquired Muzzin, Brodie, and developed Holl all within the last 24 months. Maybe you just hate him and want him gone, whatever floats your boat, but we'd be looking to trade him for another 25 year old 60 point winger making $7m.
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I'd be curious to know if behind the scenes Dubas and Co. put in an offer to sign Markstrom and then trade Freddie. To be honest pre-season Freddie on paper is an upgrade for a lot of teams even some contenders.
Get a lottery protected 2021 1st..... hope it gets deferred to a unprotected 2022 1st.
Get a lottery protected 2021 1st..... hope it gets deferred to a unprotected 2022 1st.
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1) Nobody is trading their #1D for Nylander, even with picks attached.
2) At this time yesterday we were sitting 7th in the league and 1st in the division for GA/GP, and we're still 8th in the league for shots against per game. Our defense has been really good this year, we're just getting crap goaltending again.
Honestly, is it going to take a year or two of top10 defensive finishes before people stop asking to trade Nylander for a defenseman? Rielly-Brodie and Muzzin-Holl is an excellent top4.
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In his troubled "half" season (54 games actually), he paced for 9 goals/40 points. That's worse case scenario. Was that the anomalous year? Or last season? Other than his 4 game hot start, he's looked closer to the former. Just saying it's concerning, nothing more.
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Goals saved above average is negative.
Quality start percentage is .429 which means that he actually relies on just a few games to keep his average where it is...as bad as it is.
901 save % looks far better than he has played on most games.
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
That's fair, I guess we all see the game different ways. I have Nylander quite aways from the top of my concerns list, which is why I am surprised his play is getting so much chatter.
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The 2nd line in general is a big concern. The leafs are a 1 line team 5v5. It's not sustainable, and it's starting to show. There's simply too much money tied up on that line for them not to make a 5v5 impact.
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Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Concern list in my eyes:
1. Andersen
2. Rielly
3. Tavares
4. The entire 3rd line.
5. Bogosian
6. Nylander
7. Brodie's offensive decline
8. Holl's flow might trip someone
9. Andersen again
10. Keefe doing some Babcock things lately.
If he wasn't creating scoring chances I would agree. So far the second line has been effecient at limiting goals against and have still been a net positive to the team.
Plus I think we all can agree that they will produce more than they are now.
BlueBaron
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I think we have to be open to everything but trade him for what exactly? If we swap him for a D we have exposure problems unless you package him for a serious upgrade, two for one type deal. Even now it looks like we have to expose Holl.
A Burtuzzi type power forward? Legit idea but probably not available.
Picks and prospects? Very HF but also absurd.
Why is it a good idea to trade him? Just for kicks? Because we are only 1rst in the North? Because Leaf Nation thinks the sky is falling after two loses in a row?
Might be best to keep and see how the year goes. This should be a defining playoffs, a quick exit could make us reexamine our forward make up in a big way.
Notsince67
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Plenty of teams willing to give up strong players for weaker players. I suggest we begin at McDavid and work down.
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