Critical13
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Well he wasn’t wrong. His underlying numbers are pretty dominant.
Your awful thread title doesn’t change that.
Enough excuses for Andersen and Nylander
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Well he wasn’t wrong. His underlying numbers are pretty dominant.
Your awful thread title doesn’t change that.
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Well we have our disagreements then. But that is ok. People consider Nylander to be elite. So I expect him to be a player like Pastrnak. But that is not even close. He is not at the same level as Marner or Matthews right now. Matthews and Marner are playing elite. Sorry, I just don’t see that in Nylander.
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SeaOfBlue
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The difference with Andersen is that he doesn't even have many flashes of being really good anymore. Even when he is winning it just doesn't seem like he is making it as easy as it should be, and his atrocious rebound control and positioning is killing us.
Tavares, Rielly, and the third line have a lot of really good moments and are at least finding some ways to be productive. They need to iron out some kinks but the first two are elite players who know how to beat slumps, and the third line mostly just needs a bit of consistency (and it would help if they stick with a combo for a prolonged period of time).
This has been pretty much a full year slump for Andersen at this point, and that is despite having the rest of the team making major improvements at both ends of the ice.
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Last year was in line with his career averages. It just didn't match his career year in his first year here. He's playing the best defense of his career this year by a long shot, and he is still racking up assists at a career high rate.
Outside of scoring at ES, and giving up a few too many turnovers, he is playing some of his best hockey of his career right now... However he is unfortunately committing the two cardinal sins for a basic hockey fan (they notice when you don't score, and they notice when you give the puck over).
My money is on him boosting up his sub 4% ES shooting percentage over time when his career average is 12.5% and he has literally never finished a season with below a 10% ES shooting percentage.
If he was even just shooting 10% right now, which would still be a career low, he'd have 3 ES goals instead of 1 and I doubt we hear as much complaining about Tavares.
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Pastrnak is an 11M player geting paid 6M. Matthews and Marner are 11M players getting paid 11M. Nylander is a 7M player getting paid 7M.
11M dont get nights off, 7M can struggle from time to time, more often then not, they produce.
11m or 7m it doesn’t matter. Neither of those players getting 7m or 11m gets a night off. Again Nylander is considered elite. Is he not? So he needs to perform like elite. In fact the whole team shouldn’t be taking nights off. They are professional athletes earning millions.
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He is not elite. I don't think most call him elite either. Matthews and Marner are.
Well, there are many leaf fans calling Nylander as being elite. I disagree because I just don’t see it. I don’t think he is worth even 7million right now based on his inconsistent game. But anyways, we will see how it all plays out this year for Nylander. There are a lot of leaf fans hating on me just because I see things differently with Nylander’s game. If Nylander was playing like Pastrnak then I would have no complaints. Pastrnak took less money, but in reality he plays like 11million. Why didn’t Nylander take less money? Was it necessary to sit out for so long? I feel it really hurt his game when he did that.
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If Nylander's chance late in the 3rd period ended up as a goal when the game was tied at 5-5 because remember the akward save Hogberg made, would this topic even be created?
Outside of the first two games he has looked even slower this year and just plain terrible with his playmaking and decision making. Some people are going to call us bashers but it's better to be honest with how a player is doing.
He may have 15 points in 16 games guys, but that doesn't mean he is playing well. Points don't tell the whole picture.
People are Quoting stats on how a player is doing but like you said its not the whole picture. Tavares is not really himself this year. That whole 1b line is not working out. Nylander to me is not playing that well either.
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DarkKnight
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Just one amendment to this presentation. Marner is on the ice way more than the comparables so obviously his totals would be higher. Also, the puck literally lives on stick, again that could inflate things. When you’re on the ice half the game and making a million passes, the odd one might get picked off. Mitch has been great with the puck this year, even his biggest detractors have to concede this point.
And isn’t missed shots just reflective of chances you’re getting?
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Why is Nylander being blamed here?
My kitchen strainer catches more junk then Andersen. And our Captain was an embarrassment last night. I have withheld my comments about him as he was putting up points, but he had an all around putrid night with some god awful giveaways.
My kitchen strainer catches more junk then Andersen. And our Captain was an embarrassment last night. I have withheld my comments about him as he was putting up points, but he had an all around putrid night with some god awful giveaways.
Add Tavares to the list. I hope to God he's not actually trying, because if he is, that contract is scary.
socko
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This is the mother of all misleading stats. Matthews has one of the most accurate shots in the league. Neither Marner nor Nylander are anywhere close. This obviously doesn't factor in by "how much" you missed the net.
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There's no shit to figure out for Taveras. He has alot of heart and determination. The issue with him is lack of speed. The speed of the game has caught upto him. At best he has average speed. The game is getting quicker, new players coming in are getting faster. Whats concerning is the Leafs will be stuck with the contract for another 4 more seasons.
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First time post, long time lurker. I think the attitude about Nylander on here is generational. The young posters, the gamers, see flash and a high skill level and immediately think "star". The older more grizzled people (me) know it takes a certain amount of skill for sure but also a good player needs intangibles like courage, tenacity, desire, leadership, a strong will to win. In my opinion Willy lacks, significantly in those area's. Sure once in a while he does display a seeming passion to play hard and win, on those occasions he is a very solid NHLer and an asset to the team. I like him on those nights. That is about 20% of the time. The remaining 80% he is essentially a passenger. You dont win with the Willy Nylanders, its just a fact. 50 years of doing this is a great resource to formulate this opinion. You should be able to flip him for some strong assets and that is what I would do, probably in the off season (unfortunately)
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It speaks to chances really, yes Matthews is generating a ton of shot attempts, some miss. Look at who has little missed shots, they stink.
I respectfully disagree. You can’t be playing the best defense of your career while your soft turnovers often lead to goals against.
Also, he should easily be exceeding his career averages. He doesn’t see a shut down line M&M do. He should be putting up huge numbers vs the lesser defensive opponents.
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Numbers without context are just numbers. What is it you think this shows?
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Ziggy had some interesting thoughts on Willie this morning. Says Tavares needs to make him accountable but how can he when he delivers that pizza to the Sens with 9 seconds left in the period on a PP ?
Said that Willie has a shooting % of 13+ so he is not snake bit. Tells me he is not getting enough shots on goal which in turn tells me he is not engaged as he was last year.
Said that Willie has a shooting % of 13+ so he is not snake bit. Tells me he is not getting enough shots on goal which in turn tells me he is not engaged as he was last year.
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