Engvall & Kerfoot - UFA's

[supermann_98]

Engval pisses me off. He is blessed with that size, and he's pissing it away.

He's 6'5" and plays like he's 5'6"


Kerfoot is versatile, but he's a luxury at $3.5 million.

I knew a few beer league 5'6" players who played with more grit than half the leafs, let alone Engvall who ... let's be honest here, he's as soft as a feather pillow wrapped in silk

 

[Martin Skoula]

At this point I'd rather have Engvall drop 15 pounds just to max out his breakaway speed, he isn't using the extra size anyway.

 

[supermann_98]

It's early but Holmberg might be able to be that

Hopefully with each passing game Holmberg just takes away Kerfoots importance enough for Dubas' to cash his chips and dump Kerfoot the the TDL for a pick or something

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

No hockey club with serious playoff aspirations would head into the postseason with either in the lineup. All Dubas cares about is regular season success otherwise he would have changed the teams makeup years ago.

Can you explain why any professional working in hockey would build their career for the purpose of regular season success instead of trying to win a cup? This is honestly one of the dumbest posts I’ve read on this board in nearly 10 years here.

 

[sxvnert]

Can you explain why any professional working in hockey would build their career for the purpose of regular season success instead of trying to win a cup? This is honestly one of the dumbest posts I’ve read on this board in nearly 10 years here.

It simple. Instead of admitting the core four was too expensive after the covid flat cap, he continually doubles down while icing the smallest/softest lineup in hockey. The complete opposite of what a successful playoff team is build on. All other cup winning teams eventually figured this out.
If upper management didn't agree with my sentiment he would have been extended based on his regular season successes. The leafs have gone from potential cup contender to the fan base now praying for a first round victory. I'm glad a new GM will take over the leafs this summer and construct a team around whats left of the core four before they move on to greener pastures.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

It simple. Instead of admitting the core four was too expensive after the covid flat cap, he continually doubles down while icing the smallest/softest lineup in hockey. The complete opposite of what a successful playoff team is build on. All other cup winning teams eventually figured this out.
If upper management didn't agree with my sentiment he would have been extended based on his regular season successes. The leafs have gone from potential cup contender to the fan base now praying for a first round victory. I'm glad a new GM will take over the leafs this summer and construct a team around whats left of the core four before they move on to greener pastures.

Why would he continue to double down knowing that he loses his job if the team doesn’t show progress? Again, your line of thinking makes no sense.

 

[Teeder Keon]

This is such a garbage lazy take. It's not just the hitting. It's using his size to win a board battle every now and then. To make some room for himself and line mates out there.

You're a moron if you can't see what a 6'5 player can bring to a team especially when he can skate like Engvall.

It’s actually disgusting to watch him compete for pucks. Put him on waivers, he’s a liability comes playoffs.

100% disgusting

 

[Warden of the North]

They can both go

 

[Ianturnedbull]

A lot has been written about two these players on these boards and while I've been somewhat ok with their play in previous years I feel like their playing at a level or two below their normal standard at the quarter point in the season.

While not traditional point producers, at this time they have the following middling stats:

Engvall - GP-21, G-2, A-3, P-5
Kerfoot - GP-22, G-1, A-6, P-7

This is their UFA year, and they are both playing for their next contract which unfortunately for them isn't looking promising at the moment. Kerfoot currently earns 3,500,000 and Engvall currently earns 2,250,000 which is a combined 5.75 cap hit to the team. If their play continues along the current level, I can see them getting a drop in their next contract unless a team is desperate and over pays.

Personally, after this year, I think it's time the Leafs look to replace these players. Whether that is via internal options, a trade, or the free agent market.

I'm curious what other Leaf fans think. Will these players be resigned this offseason or will we be looking elsewhere?

I did the math on their expected goals this season.

Engvall: 9 goals in 82 games
Kerfoot: 6 goals in 82 games

I'm not always a fan of "on pace" stats. It could mean that they are consistent, but they might potentially be worse than those totals.

I'm pretty shocked at Kerfoot. He's not great, but not ^that bad. At this point he's committing career suicide. Does he want to be a league min. or a PTO forward next season? He has to get going and he's got to realize that he can't keep waiting around to play with JT/WN again.

Engvall is becoming more like a Rickard Wallin then a Ilya Mikheyev. From what I can tell he's tall and has a long stick. His long stick seems to be like a poking device. As for his shooting and passing? I don't know. I just keep thinking there's got to be an AHLer that can do this instead.

 

[Primary Assist]

Pierre deserves at least a game for the chop, probably 2. I know, there's plenty of excuses to go around, but you straight up can't just purposely high stick someone like that

 

[Dr C]

Seems fair. It didn’t seem fully intentional but it was careless and potentially dangerous all the same.

 

[IPS]

Yet not even a f***ing whisper after the game where Kucherov blatantly charges Holl from behind straight into the boards

 

[Anthrax442]

Just wait till both are signed by Edmonton

 

[ULF_55]

Seems fair. It didn’t seem fully intentional but it was careless and potentially dangerous all the same.

Toronto Maple Leafs Pierre Engvall one game high sticking Sean Durzi Los Angeles Kings | TSN

Toronto Maple Leafs forward Pierre Engvall has been suspended one game for high sticking Los Angeles Kings defenceman Sean Durzi in Thursday's game, NHL Player Safety announced.

www.tsn.ca

Durzi of course went into Engvall with a face-high crosscheck to start the play.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They can both go.

Keefe came within a an inch of calling Engvall soft yesterday and he's right.

Engvall has all the tool he's big, he's heavy, he's fast he's got EVERYTHING you want in a player and he uses NONE of it.

His biggest value to this team is that he makes 2.25 million and as such can be used to balance the money in a deadline trade.

That's it.

 

[BackPassChampions]

They can both go.

Keefe came within a an inch of calling Engvall soft yesterday and he's right.

Engvall has all the tool he's big, he's heavy, he's fast he's got EVERYTHING you want in a player and he uses NONE of it.

His biggest value to this team is that he makes 2.25 million and as such can be used to balance the money in a deadline trade.

That's it.

He basically already called him soft in a prior statement.

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To those wanting Pierre Engvall to start living large and throwing around his 6-foot-5, 220 body with greater authority, Sheldon Keefe hears you.

“I would like to see more,” the Maple Leafs coach said Saturday morning of his third-line Swedish winger. “With his size and strength, I’ve talked to him at length about closing plays and being more physical.

“At the same time, I’ve coached him a long time (starting with the AHL Marlies in 2017). You push a player and at times you can see that response, but players resort to who they are. The reality is that (full bore aggressiveness) is not in his nature.

Source:

Pierre Engvall doesn't live large, but Sheldon Keefe okay with it

Maple Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe believes that Pierre Engvall can be an effective player, even if Engvall is not a physical player.

torontosun.com

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AKA Engvall is a natural softy.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Trade both of them and then use the assets gain to trade for a another player.

 

[hobarth]

Kerfoot , overpaid because he's underproducing, TO should get rid of him, right?

OK, so who/what should TO be looking for back if TO could possibly move him, how dum are other GMs?

How about trading for Garland in Vanc., he'd be an upgrade for sure, he's versatile can play LW/RW, scored 52 pts last year so seems like a steal of a deal type of trade for TO, get er done Dubie.

Let's look at what TO would be giving up in this transaction, Kerfoot is very versatile as he has played in all 3 forward spots in the past and he only had 51 points last year, that's one less than Garland but Garland doesn't get to play with Mitch, Austin, etc. so the slight difference is explainable, maybe but I wonder if Garland always plays in the top 6 in Vanc., Kerfoot doesn't, Garland does get to play on the PP Kerfoot doesn't, Garland doesn't PK Kerfoot does. So far I'm not seeing a lot of good reasons for TO to trade for Garland with Kerfoot.

Size must be another issue, Kerfoot is small and plays that way, Kerfoot is 5'10" 185 lbs, Garland is 5'10" 165 lbs, I don't know a whole lot about Garland but I see he has 21 PIMs this year while Kerfoot has 12 PIMs, I don't know why the difference but generally Garland has marginally more PIMs than Kerfoot, is Garland's lack of foot speed partly responsible for this?

Now the killer, Kerfoot has 12 pts in 29 games this year while earning $3.5 mil. per, Garland has 12 points in 27 games while earning $4.95 mil. There has been and still is a great deal of noise from whoever regarding the benefit of TO trading Kerfoot for Garland even tho neither would be a significant upgrade on the other or more likely Kerfoot is the better player, I really don't think a lot of blowhards actually research their positions, they just blow.

Another player that gets a lot of guff from Leaf fans, Engvall, who has 7 points, he never gets to play in the top 6, makes $1.25 mil. per year less than Kerfoot, PKs and lots of other stuff, what everyone knows is that Engvall is 6'5", any player that does what Engvall does and is 5'10" would be considered a bargain at $2.25 mil., forget how tall he is and enjoy what he does do. I'd love to see Engvall in the top 6 except I feel the bottom 6 would be significantly less effective without him like we saw on Saturday.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

God bless these boys and I hope some other team out there gives them $5M per each...we just don't have the money in this kind of economy.

 

[I am Canadian]

Engvall has to be the most frustrating player. Even for himself. He could be making 4-5M a year if he just took the initiative to hit people and become a nuisance.

He's not good enough to be a top 6 skilled forward, but that's exactly what he wants.

 

[banks]

I see no reason to keep either guy unless they come significantly cheaper on their next deal. I have always liked Kerfoot. He's versatile and brings it in the playoffs. But it's a luxury we shouldn't be paying for, especially when Jarnkrok does a comparable job.

Let them walk in the offseason, just like Mikheyev. We won't miss them when they're gone. And maybe we hit another UFA home run like Bunting in their place.

 

[BlueBaron]

I'm not sure this is worth a lot of thought.

Here's why I think that.

You keep Kerfoot because he's the only guy who can fill in for any forward. If JT or Matthews goes down you can plug him in and get by, as he did for JT against the Habs. His best playoff by far.

Engvall is serviceable and replaceable and in ways is the bottom 6 version of Kerfoot. Plays any forward position and brings size he doesn't use but is still useful all the same.

Two perfect spare part forwards. Kerfoot walks this summer with a thank you for your service and our best wishes. Engvall either signs for market value or we trade him. No sweat off our ass ether way. His replacement scored last night in his second game so this is a man with 0 leverage. He'll play nice.

0 concern.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Gilmour1996]

I'd rather have Zach Hyman than Kerfoot + Engvall (or Kerfoot + Jarnkrok). Would be the same $$$ this year, although Hyman's contract is too long. His numbers this year aren't far from our "elites". Zach has 33 points, like Nylander. Tavares has 30, Matthews has 35 and Marner 37. Way to go Zach!

 

[Jojalu]

I'd rather have Zach Hyman than Kerfoot + Engvall (or Kerfoot + Jarnkok). Would be the same $$$ this year, although Hyman's contract is too long. His numbers this year aren't far from our "elites". Zach has 33 points, like Nylander. Tavares has 30, Matthews has 35 and Marner 37. Way to go Zach!

No doubt Hyman would be an upgrade, but who is taking the other spot?

Top 6 would be better, but the bottom 6 would be way worse.