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They were probably told to just be themselves and everything will work out...
That's literally what they told us since 2020, comparing themselves to the Tampa Bay Lightning every year.
End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)
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That's literally what they told us since 2020, comparing themselves to the Tampa Bay Lightning every year.
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I'm not a big fan of Dubas. Personally I'd like to see the team move on from him. However, I can see (and slightly understand) the organization looking at him and thinking he's improved and learned. I can see them not wanting to risk a transition period with a new GM and trust Dubas to change the mix of the team. I don't know if that means they're necessarily happy with him, but they may feel he's the best person to have in place for the draft next month, the UFAs the Leafs are looking to resign July 1st, the extensions needed for Matthews and Nylander, and whatever trades are in store for the current roster.
I'm sure regardless of fan frustration MLSE sees a 100+ point team that doesn't need to blow it up. However I would argue the things I mentioned above all require alot of trust in Dubas from MLSE. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be at least somewhat pleased with Dubas while also recognizing that Keefe has been thoroughly out-coached multiple playoffs in a row. That he's managed only one series with a 100+ point team in 3.5 seasons.
In fact, unless MLSE has issue with Dubas showing too much loyalty to Keefe (I know I do,) I think it's probably more likely they would expect Keefe to be gone if they are happy/pleased/tepid with Dubas. Why has this coach performed so poorly in spite of the all that he's been given?
Anyways, at this point I think we are probably just playing semantics. I think it's fair for MLSE to expect a coaching change based on Keefe's poor results (name losing to Montreal with a 3-1 series lead and to Florida in 5,) without having to explicitly say that to Dubas it make it a condition. I do not think they have to be as unhappy with Dubas as they are with Keefe.
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Between the presser and what's swirling around the media this week you almost have to assume it's an implausible level of dysfunction. Not a peep from the president, the owners, anybody, starts to lend credibility to the madness.
And now we have this time crunch.
At some point you have to sit back and laugh. Bring Dubie back and continue the circus. Unless a miracle happens I'm not sure how we get out from under all this anyways.
And now we have this time crunch.
At some point you have to sit back and laugh. Bring Dubie back and continue the circus. Unless a miracle happens I'm not sure how we get out from under all this anyways.
I am with you.. i am a believer moving marner is the right bold move
I dont even think we would miss the playoffs in a retool at worst fighting for wildcards
I like the retool concept for so many reasons.. i would like to see
- homegrown kids uses to see if we have any gamers and gamers in a sense that they work their ass off and stir shit up
- get some more bite on the wings
- get some more bite on defence
- someone unheralded that plays a smart simple game tried as 2c.. like a freddy gaudreau has played for minny..
I couldnt care less about if guys brought in dont replace marners 90 points in the regular season.. couldnt give two shit turds about points but bring in people that play hard.. actually make this team tougher to play against and can play as role players and in turn play a system
I dont care if 90% of our games finish 2-1 if we are playing better team hockey and that is what the retool should be used for.. changing that.. not getting new draft picks or prospects (that would be a bonus only) but to fix this shit
Again Kyle Dubas never claimed to be in a bad head space…
It’s his family that were affected and want him to potentially step away. Not Kyle himself. Him taking a break isn’t because Kyle wants to. He’s taking a break because his family is asking him to and he wants to respect the desires of his family. It’s not that hard.
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I see it all the time - players giving 80% and thinking it’s 100%. They think they’re giving everything they can, and just don’t understand there’s more.
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A forward that can score 60-70 points, plays nasty, crashes the net to bang in rebounds from matthews' shots and a Big nasty D-man who can put up 30-40 pts and makes opposition forwards' lives hell
We lose about 90-100 point player, but we gain two players who by committee can score 90-100 points and also bring in the element of nasty that is useful in playoffs.
Heck I'd even retain on marner for 2 years if we can make the cap work and get some picks thrown our way to fill in the empty cupboard
If this would have been the case IMO Shanny attends the presser with Dubas on Monday
I said it before... I thought it was interesting how Dubas structured the Matthews, Nylander and Marner contracts.
Matthews and Nylander up for new negoations and NMC and limited NTC kick in for both respectively
Marner's NMC also kicks in 2 years early at the same time
And guess what... Dubas' contract extension is also at the same time
Masterful move or coincidence who knows
Do you honestly believe Dubas anticipated not having a contract this year? I doubt any of that was planned. I think Dubas heading into the last off-season thought he’d already have an extension.
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Not sure that's 100% accurate...maybe his wife didn't like him being a lame duck GM, and now that the Leafs finally offered him a contract, he's taking his time.
CJ mentioned it a few times, Kyle said this was brought up to him by his family a few days ago. So whatever feelings they had about Kyle working for the leafs or how they felt they were being affected wasn’t communicated until after the season ended. Which I can see being the truth. Why would his family tell him how his job is affecting them during the season?
It makes more sense to bring that up once the season is done.
It was pretty well documented that he was going into the year wirhout a contract, no? I remember a lot of conversation and fear
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That sounds like a bad relationship if his spouse kept everything quiet and didn't tell him how she felt until the season ended...unless she's not in good health and something came up last minute, in which case, I wish them all the best.
The Matthews, Marner and Nylander extensions were signed 5/6 years ago. Do you think Dubas lined up their contracts to expire with his contract? Hell no. That is a ridiculous take.
No it sounds like a healthy relationship and a wife who understands that bringing that up when your partner isn’t in a conventional job and is facing the most amount of pressure they’ve faced as a GM would not help at that moment.
What good does it do for Dubas to hear that in the middle of a playoff run? If you’re in a high stress situation do you want support from your spouse or do you want them to tell you they feel like you should quit that job?
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A forward that can score 60-70 points, plays nasty, crashes the net to bang in rebounds from matthews' shots and a Big nasty D-man who can put up 30-40 pts and makes opposition forwards' lives hell
We lose about 90-100 point player, but we gain two players who by committee can score 90-100 points and also bring in the element of nasty that is useful in playoffs.
Heck I'd even retain on marner for 2 years if we can make the cap work and get some picks thrown our way to fill in the empty cupboard
If this would have been the case IMO Shanny attends the presser with Dubas on Monday
Chri johnston stuff was good.. chew through leather to win.. like sam f***ing bennett... winning teams have that..they just do as a focal point of their core roster.. we do not. It is objective at this point.. these stars have not had to fight for anything like making the playoffs battling for a spot.. they are good enough to coast srasons and get results .. with 95% being boring bland shit .. and for slme stretches sloppy shitty hockey
This is where analytics hit a wall.. leafs are boring. There are some pretty plays and the skill.. but these guys do not pjll the fans into their battles with passion.. they are hard to identify with.. marner laughing while getting punched.. if I was on the fence about trading him that right there would have decided it for me.. shit like that is just trash.. matthews laughing at konecny.. bunting being bunting with fake punches and tantrums that visibly were outright look! Look at me!!! It is so unlikeable
For sure, so my question to you is. How would it have helped if she/or whichever family member, dropped that bomb while in the playoffs?
I think the better time is always going to be in the off-season for family members of those involved in professional sports. Unless it’s something urgent like death; long term illness ect.
No.. it sounded like he sounds when he is trying to serve both masters when he is in front of the cameras.. being candid just enough to be real but leaving enough ambiguity that it can be changed and rewritten if need be
You are on the most reasonable path with this one.. healthy relationships understand timing..
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I would think they would have had conversations during the season and not just during the playoffs, but even if it's during the playoffs, it wouldn't have affected his job as much as it would have if she talked to him before the trade deadline...it's not like it's a good situation now either...in some ways, it's worst...it certainly caught Shanny and MLSE off guard if they were expecting Dubas to be back...if Dubas is not the GM, the Leafs need to start looking for one asap because they need to deal with Matthews' contract and plan on how they want to change their roster due to having so many UFA's this off-season...July 1st is 6 weeks away, it's not that much time.
Yea it seemed 2-fold for me. He had just become aware that his family had been affected in a negative way which would be emotional and also that this could mean he may leave his dream job and one he may never get again which would also be emotional.
Not planned at all, im just saying from last year to this off season, nobody should have expected a deal.
I assure you the higher ups are not speculating scenarios about what might be going on with Dubies family like you see on the board. Or conjuring up definitive storylines on the things said in the crazy presser. That's for the birds.
He has personal issues. He had them all last year while performing his duties. He said that publicly. Doesn't matter if it's a mental issue, family, or whatever might be the real story. It's a concern, and the way it's unraveled is not conducive to a high profile position where you are compensated not to obstruct your superiors or trouble the business.
A lot of people's lives rely on the GM of a large organization. It goes with the territory. It's not for everyone.
Imagine what Rielly is thinking. If everyone was competing on his level there would have been no stopping them. The discrepancy must be disappointing.
Maybe they didn’t feel like they do about the situation now at the trade deadline.
For context sake, I have coached in college/university sports in Ontario. I’ve now gone back to youth sports, part of that reason was my partner wanted more time with me and as much as I loved coaching at that level, I wanted to keep her happy and I’d always choose her over coaching. We definitely had a few discussions during my final season. However my team was in a deep playoff run and it wasn’t until we got eliminated that she expressed all her concerns. She didn’t want to distract me from the task at hand. I’m more appreciative of her for allowing me to focus and not placing that feeling of guilt during the playoffs.
So I kind of understand where Dubas is coming from. I’ve gone back down to youth sports, had a lot of success this season and have spent way more time with the Mrs.
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