End of Season Pressers (Monday May 15)
- Thread starter The Masters
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
- Status
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,566
- 9,538
Superstar
"Be water, my friend."
- Jun 25, 2008
- 12,861
- 9,243
Relationship is an interesting dynamic...thanks for sharing your personal experience, and good to hear you're in a happier space with your wife...I'm sure Dubas is being pulled in two directions if that's the case...being GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs would be the pinnacle dream job for most...I guess he needs her full support and understanding to continue with it.
Again that’s just my personal experience. Dubas could totally be bullshitting us all! Also, like you said, it depends on the relationship. Some people wouldn’t mind hearing it earlier as it gives them time to handle it. Some people would rather wait to hear it.
I’m not sure I have a great handle on the Dubas situation. But I think it’s a bit of both. Maybe family has expressed concern, but I think there could be truth to Dubas using that statement as a way of controlling the narrative.
The more that I think about it, Dubas saying what he said was insane. The media firestorm it created puts even more stress on the family.
Superstar
"Be water, my friend."
- Jun 25, 2008
- 12,861
- 9,243
I think we'll know if he's back before the weekend.
phillipmike
Registered User
- Oct 27, 2009
- 12,971
- 9,157
This is like Mitch holding out
This isn't family related - he probably feels he's being disrespected.
But I could be totally wrong. Something isn't right though
Dubas pulling a Marner, whatever Shanny/Matthews gets, I want the same!
LaPlante94
Registered User
- Apr 12, 2011
- 7,231
- 3,604
I feel they're giving Dubas at least a week to talk to the family and figure out what they want and maybe 2 weeks tops before they decide to hire somebody else. Can't wait too long because the draft is in a month and a new GM might want to go in an entire new direction with coaches and what to do/not do with the current roster and a bunch of other staff.
Previewing the big questions facing the Maple Leafs this offseason -- the GM, the coach, and the pending free agents
The NHL draft and free agency periods are roughly a month and a half away, but the Maple Leafs have all sorts of questions to answer before then. The most pressing one, of course, is who is going to be in charge. We haven’t heard from Brendan Shanahan in any official capacity since last year’s […]
mapleleafshotstove.com
At this point, it’s fair to question if there has been too much loyalty at times, potentially even as a response to criticism. This goes beyond the core and extends to the coaching staff, support players (such as Alex Kerfoot), and anyone from the SSM Greyhounds.
In that sense, it’s important that Dubas acknowledged a need to adapt and not be handcuffed by his own “persistence.” I do think Dubas has evolved since he took over as GM, especially when it comes to building proper forward depth instead of plugging in the Nic Petans and Dmytro Timashovs of the world.
In fact, throughout the roster, we can definitely argue he has improved as far as developing and adding depth to the roster. The seventh defenseman is no longer the likes of Martin Marincin. The backup goalie this past season was not Michael Hutchinson or Garret Sparks. He has made a number of good bets adding quality players via free agency: TJ Brodie, Michael Bunting, Ilya Samsonov, and David Kampf, to name a few.
The flip side of the argument is that the Leafs have struggled to make so-called “hockey trades.” The best player he ever traded away was Nazem Kadri, a move that did not turn out well. What are Dubas’ other hockey trades? Acquiring Jake Muzzin for Sean Durzi, Carl Grunstrom, and a first-round pick? Moving Jack Campbell and Kyle Clifford for Trevor Moore and two third-round picks? The Kasperi Kapanen trade?
The notable deadline moves are placed in a different category given it is a buyer acquiring talent from a seller. In terms of hockey trades, there hasn’t been much to go on, but for most of those above-mentioned deals, the other team would make them again.
Ultimately, if Dubas is retained, I think his earlier comment will be one to focus on and evaluate him by. He is acknowledging a need to veer from his original course. How would he go about it? Who would move? How does he handle the coaching staff that he put together?
I would argue that the Leafs have been outcoached – or neutral, at best – in five straight playoff series now. Over four seasons under Sheldon Keefe, they won one playoff series and a North Division title over a 56-game campaign. For a team that has conducted itself and bought as though it’s a Cup contender for three of those four years, those are not good enough results.
Dubas and Sheldon Keefe are obviously good friends and have a strong personal relationship. It is not easy to make this type of decision, but it is one the organization needs to be honest about before moving forward.
The other standout part of Dubas’ press conference on Monday was the emotional toll this entire season appeared to take on him. He was clearly emotional when speaking, and he mentioned his family and the impact it made on him a few times.
The most important thing to mention here is hoping Dubas and his family are okay. Secondly, I have been told the organization was ready to move forward with an extension of some capacity heading into Monday’s press conference, and that Dubas’ comments have thrown a bit of a wrench into it. Ownership wants to know about potential burnout before greenlighting a new contract.
The job of GM of the Maple Leafs is a difficult one at the best of times. I am not going to speculate on what is happening with Kyle Dubas personally. It will be up to him, his family, and the organization to decide whether he is in the right mental/personal space to move forward and what it would look like if he were to continue.
leafsfan5
Registered User
- Jun 14, 2014
- 15,212
- 26,840
That CJ podcast is a huge indictment on this team and the program we're running here
The more I hear the more I think it's best if Dubas leaves and we deal a core piece. This culture is rotten
The more I hear the more I think it's best if Dubas leaves and we deal a core piece. This culture is rotten
I doubt it, if you read a bit further when he started as a player agent: "challenges with clients leaving for other agents resulted in Dubas looking for alternate careers in hockey."
Martin Skoula
Registered User
- Oct 18, 2017
- 12,516
- 17,636
I don’t care about Matthews laughing as much, but the Marner one caught my eye because he looked genuinely surprised his good buddy Tkachuk would actually do something like that to him for no reason.
Tkachuk is his buddy first and an obstacle to Marner winning second, he seemed shocked or hurt that Tkachuk had those priorities in reverse.
Rude Dog
Registered User
- Dec 22, 2008
- 4,375
- 3,498
I like Dubas and want him to stay, but this little gap has made it almost impossible for him to come back. Best thing for everyone involved at this point is to turn the page. Dubas is never going to win over the majority of the doubters and any GM that trades one of the core is going to lose that trade in the short term. I suspect the leafs take a step back next year in the standings. Hope I am wrong.
But at this point let’s just get on with it.
But at this point let’s just get on with it.
Stephen
Moderator
- Feb 28, 2002
- 83,096
- 62,015
This is Exhibit A of why I think he should have kept that info for himself. What his private discussions are like that enable him to commit to a job or not. That shouldn't be for our consumption. Either you stay on or don't we don't need the details.
LaPlante94
Registered User
- Apr 12, 2011
- 7,231
- 3,604
He seems like the kind of person who doesn't like making those tough decisions which leads to him being taken advantage of/being a pushover. Gave every player whatever they wanted on their deals and you'd think they'd at least compete their asses off during the playoffs to do anything to win for him and not just rely on their skill but nope. Then the loyalty to guys like Kerfoot and Holl. Maybe it's best he just stays in the analytics department/behind the scenes more so it's not as stressful on him and his family and it still pays well.
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,566
- 9,538
The source of that quote is not exactly what wikipedia has as a citation. Wikipedia cites the Hockey news and there what is supposedly quoted is slightly different: "disappointments" { Todd Reynolds}—clients defecting to other agents—and recruited by the Greyhounds, Dubas changed careers at 25 to become one of the youngest GMs in OHL history." it does indeed mention clints going to other agents, but it leaves out SSM recruiting him.
oops: This is the source the Wikipedia article used as the source
I just listened to the one with Dangle. It is pretty spot on and what I expected in regards to the core and the team.
The belief(including us) was that if only they make it past the 1st round, they would play dominated hockey....but that didn't happened and what made matters worst was Game 3 of the series. CJ made good points about they didn't play as bad as the stats b/c AM and JT had over 40-50shots....and they hit the posts here and there....but Game 3 is the reason why we are having these conversations.
Leafblooded
Registered User
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,566
- 9,538
I was on the fence about keeping Dubas, I'd have leant keep but I wasn't concerned either way
I'm now on the he's got to go side, he's become a huge distraction and that's unacceptable for somebody in the front office and it's starting to feel like he's holding the organization hostage to his feelings and wishes
This organization needs a clean out and it should start with him, the coach and then the core
This is supposed to be a business, let's start treating it like that and stop coddling our staff and players who are more than happy to take the team to the woodshed when it suits them
I'm now on the he's got to go side, he's become a huge distraction and that's unacceptable for somebody in the front office and it's starting to feel like he's holding the organization hostage to his feelings and wishes
This organization needs a clean out and it should start with him, the coach and then the core
This is supposed to be a business, let's start treating it like that and stop coddling our staff and players who are more than happy to take the team to the woodshed when it suits them
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,566
- 9,538
From the medias. lol
For all we know, Dubas could be speaking with AM, Willie(maybe not him due to being in WC) and others about their new contracts.
For some reason, fans just want stuff to happen but they often takes time.
If I am the team, even if I have all the contracts(AM, Willie, Schenn, Acciari, Sammy, Kampf, Benn, Mete....) signed, sealed and delivered, I will make the announcement one or two at a time, just to keep the TO medias busy so they don't start writing their narratives as inside source or news.
Leaf Fans
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 21,566
- 9,538
- Status
Latest posts
-
GDT: 2024-25 season game 55 LA Kings vs Vegas Golden Knights @7:30pm 2/24/25- Latest: kingsholygrail
-
-
Confirmed with Link: [ANA/DET] Ville Husso for future considerations- Latest: hockey webcomics
