Rumor: End of an era with Boeser and Canucks. Boeser: "Honestly its unlikely at this point (to re-sign)". Where does he go and for how much?

[Diablo2020]

So much logic in one post, some in this fanbase need the reality check it sadly seems.

I actually like to straddle the line between logical and cynical because im absolutely flabberghasted that Nucks nation doesnt see the franchise around them as an utter disaster.

The hope of an upcoming offseason has clouded alot of fans into thinking we're one or two pieces away from digging out of this hole.

Ive seen a medly of options available to us when reality is there is real slim pickings out there. We're literally gonna show up to the auction with $20 thinking we will outbid Chicago types for difference makers when they're sitting on 30 drafted players over the last 3 years and about 30 draft picks they no longer need to use to get more 18 year olds.

I look back and see Dickinson scored 20 after shedding a 2nd to dump him. I look back and see Mikhayev scored 20 after shedding a 2nd to dump him.

Yet all I can see here is a team who could actually use BOTH players today and am waiting for the fans to absolutely sing Sherwood praises for (checks notes) scoring 20 goals.

We're actually highly likely to ship our 2nd and that SJ 3rd for the exact middling players like Ilya and Dickie, THIS OFFSEASON, because we need the upgrades so badly.

It makes me sad and cynical. Full circle back to seeking a Tanner Pearson or two we are.

Fans will expect better than Dickinson, Mikhayev, Pearson, but thats likely what we end up with to salvage this.

 

[AvatarAang]

He turned down $40M from the Canucks. His agent most likely feels there will be $50M+ available for him July 1st and he’s probably not wrong.

Just because he turned down $40M from the Canucks doesn’t mean he won’t accept that offer from another team or even take a discount so he can play for another team

Why would he sign in Vancouver long term when Hughes is going to leave to New Jersey soon?

Vancouver is a sinking ship at this point, no free agent is going to sign with them unless they significantly overpay.

 

[Fatass]

Just because he turned down $40M from the Canucks doesn’t mean he won’t accept that offer from another team or even take a discount so he can play for another team

Why would he sign in Vancouver long term when Hughes is going to leave to New Jersey soon?

Vancouver is a sinking ship at this point, no free agent is going to sign with them unless they significantly overpay.

UFAs who need to rebuild their value, or are trying to build value, will sign one and two year contracts to play for certain coaches and with particular players. Boeser isn’t in that category though. He will sign where he gets the most total dollars. Van offered 40 mil. A team like Chicago might offer 50-55 million.

 

[biturbo19]

The issue is, you said “I don’t see him getting $8M from any team” when he doesn’t need to get $8M from any team to approach a $50M total commitment. $7Mx7 years is entirely possible.

I have a hard time seeing Boeser's deal ringing in without an $8M at the front tbh. With significant term too. Between the cap rises and a lot of the comparables out there...it just feels like that's where it's heading. If the commitment were going to go dip down into the low-7s range, i think Vancouver probably would've got something done with him by now, even if that meant compromising on term.

But if guys like Fiala, Laine, et al are at $7.8M in a prior cap environment, Guentzel is at $9M, an ancient Stamkos got $8M, Konecny brings a lot more other stuff to the table, but is still at $8.75M. I just don't see how Boeser doesn't cash in with something in that general $8-9M ballpark...with term. Obviously pending what he decides to prioritize...if he decides to take a slight haircut on the max available in order to "pick his spot" or "go to a contender", plus all the obvious tax implications that factor hugely into different locations these days. I think that's the market he's looking at though. Marner is only going to go to one team...and after that, i think Boeser is probably the next "biggest fish" in terms of scoring wingers (over Ehlers even).


Whether a team should give Boeser that kind of contract, and whether or not they'll regret it (or how long it'll be until they do) is another question entirely. But there are so many teams with oodles of cap space to spend, and who doesn't want to add a productive ~30G guy with 40G 70pts upside?

 

[crowi]

Canucks should feel fortunate he didn't take the 5x$8M deal. This guy wants added years because he knows his body won't hold up. I truly hope Ducks don't give that future LTIR deal to him.

 

[Diablo2020]

Like Jake Debrusk for Vancouver this offseason, some team is going to be sooo perplexed how they just landed a 25-35 goal man without breaking a sweat.

Just walked right on to the franchise. Some small rumors of a couple other teams that sniffed around but pretty much a layup in terms of roster adding.

Unfortunetly for the league there's only one or two decent UFAs like that available this year so Brock is definetly going to command salary and term way above what Jake got from us.

 

[jackjohnson]

Just because he turned down $40M from the Canucks doesn’t mean he won’t accept that offer from another team or even take a discount so he can play for another team

Why would he sign in Vancouver long term when Hughes is going to leave to New Jersey soon?

Vancouver is a sinking ship at this point, no free agent is going to sign with them unless they significantly overpay.

Stop making scenarios in your head. Why would he take a discount to play with another team? Boeser wants to cash in on his last contract and Canucks don't want to overpay. Very simple. No need to complicate things by saying Boeser would leave Canucks because Hughes is joining New Jersey soon. I bet you will also know who wins the cup 2 seasons from now. Maybe you are Nostradamus.

 

[Fatass]

Like Jake Debrusk for Vancouver this offseason, some team is going to be sooo perplexed how they just landed a 25-35 goal man without breaking a sweat.

Just walked right on to the franchise. Some small rumors of a couple other teams that sniffed around but pretty much a layup in terms of roster adding.

Unfortunetly for the league there's only one or two decent UFAs like that available this year so Brock is definetly going to command salary and term way above what Jake got from us.

DeBrusk is 7 x 5.5
Boeser turned down a Van offer with an AAV of 8. Not too sure these guys are comparables.

 

[jackjohnson]

Like Jake Debrusk for Vancouver this offseason, some team is going to be sooo perplexed how they just landed a 25-35 goal man without breaking a sweat.

Just walked right on to the franchise. Some small rumors of a couple other teams that sniffed around but pretty much a layup in terms of roster adding.

Unfortunetly for the league there's only one or two decent UFAs like that available this year so Brock is definetly going to command salary and term way above what Jake got from us.

Jake Debrusk is a steal, considering the cap going up and what we are paying him. I don't see any difference between Debrusk and Boeser, except the fact that Boeser wants more than 8 million and we have Debrusk for 5 mil and many years to come. I rather spend the Boeser money and pay Bennett who is a much better player and is a center. Plus he is physical and what the Canucks want.

 

[jackjohnson]

DeBrusk is 7 x 5.5
Boeser turned down a Van offer with an AAV of 8. Not too sure these guys are comparables.

They are comparable in goal scoring and being streaky be definitely in terms of salary, they aren't comparable.

 

[Fatass]

They are comparable in goal scoring and being streaky be definitely in terms of salary, they aren't comparable.

So maybe Van dodged a bullet with Boeser turning down their 8 mil AAV (x five) offer?

 

[Coffee]

Just because he turned down $40M from the Canucks doesn’t mean he won’t accept that offer from another team or even take a discount so he can play for another team

Why would he sign in Vancouver long term when Hughes is going to leave to New Jersey soon?

Vancouver is a sinking ship at this point, no free agent is going to sign with them unless they significantly overpay.

Well I hope you are happy! Because the Canucks look DONE!

 

[jackjohnson]

Canucks should feel fortunate he didn't take the 5x$8M deal. This guy wants added years because he knows his body won't hold up. I truly hope Ducks don't give that future LTIR deal to him.

Even 8 million is too much for him. If you look at his body of work throughout his career, he is a 50 point guy that only scored 40 goals once and then never touched 30 goals again in any other season. So he is a 25 to 30 goal scorer who averages 50 to 55 points. He is a rich man's Debrusk or Pius Suter (without the pk ability and speed). Maybe a blessing in disguise for Canucks not to sign him since he is also less effective without Miller.

 

[jackjohnson]

So maybe Van dodged a bullet with Boeser turning down their 8 mil AAV (x five) offer?

Exactly. I think we can get better players with that kind of money. The good thing is it will open up more cap space for Canucks to sign Bennett and re-sign Suter. I think signing Suter is more important than Boeser.

 

[AvatarAang]

Boeser wants to cash in on his last contract and Canucks don't want to overpay. Very simple.

I bet you will also know who wins the cup 2 seasons from now. Maybe you are Nostradamus.

…did you just claim that you know exactly what Boeser wants and then complain about making future predictions in the same post?

No wonder you are so upset you are angry at yourself

 

[jackjohnson]

Vancouver is 10 years into their rebuild and have made the playoffs once on merit and once in a year where the league decided to just let everyone participate.

Midpack management is a pretty big overstatement. This group has traded away a bunch of futures just to be a team that misses the playoffs, and their core has gotten worse in a time period when their "window" is supposed to be opening.

You would think fans would be calling for a house cleaning after such a bad mismanagement of a rebuild.

Boeser is another decent piece that management has mismanaged by shooting their mouths off to the media when it wasn't necessary at all. Not surprising, the room isnt tight. The fish rots from the head down.

I will still take this edition of Vancouver management versus the current Oilers management that basically gave away Holloway (1st line forward) and Broberg (1st pairing potential) for a bag of used pucks. That level of mismanagement should be a fireable offense. To put it in perspective, Canucks got much more trading a player that requested a trade to Rangers while being pouty than the Oilers got from both Broberg and Holloway offersheet fiasco. I would consider Broberg and Holloway to be way more valuable than a 33 year old Miller.

 

[Coffee]

…did you just claim that you know exactly what Boeser wants and then complain about making future predictions in the same post?

No wonder you are so upset you are angry at yourself

Just because you make a good point doesn’t take away the fact you want to see the Canucks burn

 

[jackjohnson]

Allvin would have you believe that there was no interest but logic would dictate that they simply didn’t want to move him without replacing his spot immediately. Now they’ll miss the playoffs, lose him for nothing and not have any extra assets to improve the team going forward. Missed opportunity.

I heard Boeser was not even getting a 1st round pick unless we added to Boeser to get that 1st round pick which is brutal. In that case, rather keep Boeser and let him walk then to be seen as a GM that cracks under any pressure or a GM that can be lowballed like Benning.

 

[jackjohnson]

…did you just claim that you know exactly what Boeser wants and then complain about making future predictions in the same post?

No wonder you are so upset you are angry at yourself

Boeser refused the 8 mil 5 year deal and its simply because he values himself more. its self explanatory. Definitely better than your imaginary narrative of Boeser wanting to leave because Hughes is going to New Jersey or because he hates the Canucks. He was interviewed many times and he always said he wanted to stay in Vancouver even during the hard times when people wanted to trade Boeser. What I find funny is you think he will leave Canucks for a discount even lower than the 8 mil per year the Canucks offered him.

 

[Fatass]

Boeser refused the 8 mil 5 year deal and its simply because he values himself more. its self explanatory. Definitely better than your imaginary narrative of Boeser wanting to leave because Hughes is going to New Jersey or because he hates the Canucks. He was interviewed many times and he always said he wanted to stay in Vancouver even during the hard times when people wanted to trade Boeser. What I find funny is you think he will leave Canucks for a discount even lower than the 8 mil per year the Canucks offered him.

If Boeser can’t get the money he thinks he’s worth from another club on July 1 will he try to come back to Van?

 

[jackjohnson]

DeBrusk is faster and better defensively, but their point totals are similar and Boeser has the higher offensive ceiling.

Whatever team signs Boeser should expect:

-If healthy, 30+ goalies and 30+ assists;
-slow but positionally sound and sneaky (in getting into scoring areas) so speed is not essential to his game;
-not really a play driver - needs an offensively talented centre to produce decently; and
-had a great playoffs last year so might end up becoming a clutch player.

Ok, aside from one season where he scored 40 and got 73 points, he has never had a season with 30+ goals and 30+ assists. He has hovered around 45 to 50 points in his career and he is not going to be improving. He is slow and not a play driver and I think he will just stay a 50 point player in his peak form. I would not sign a guy that will go on a decline soon for 8 mil and 7 years. It will be a really bad contract.

 

[jackjohnson]

If Boeser can’t get the money he thinks he’s worth from another club on July 1 will he try to come back to Van?

He wants to test free agency and cash in. If he can't get that money, then who knows what happens. Canucks might have replaced him and might not even offer him the 8 million they offered him now. No one knows but if I was Boeser, i would have taken that 8 million, 5 year deal rather than risk free agency to get low ball offers. Alvin said he was not even worth a 1st round pick at TDL, so I imagine other GMs might dont value Boeser much to give him above 8 million per. Once you get to 8 million or 9 million territory, you would need to be a pretty good player.

 

[Goatlender]

Ok, aside from one season where he scored 40 and got 73 points, he has never had a season with 30+ goals and 30+ assists. He has hovered around 45 to 50 points in his career and he is not going to be improving. He is slow and not a play driver and I think he will just stay a 50 point player in his peak form. I would not sign a guy that will go on a decline soon for 8 mil and 7 years. It will be a really bad contract.

To be fair, I said “if healthy.” He has been on pace for those numbers in some of his previous seasons.

 

[vcanuck]

I'm so ready to move on from Boeser.

whoever is dumb enough to sign him at 8M+ is going to get a glorified Toffolli that skates like Lucic.

I'd use the cap space to trade for a Pasternak or sign Marner/Ehlers.

 

[Gilles Meloche]

This screams Boston to me…