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Purely from a diss standpoint Em bodied MGK. Idk how it’s a debate. MGK was f***ing complimenting Em in his diss ffs lol
Fact is the only memorable line from MGK’s diss was when he said he already f***ed one rapper’s girl this week and to not make him call Kim, only for Em to spin it around and say he’d give him things he has to f*** Kim and MGK would still be living in his shadow.
Fact is the only memorable line from MGK’s diss was when he said he already f***ed one rapper’s girl this week and to not make him call Kim, only for Em to spin it around and say he’d give him things he has to f*** Kim and MGK would still be living in his shadow.
The Nuge
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That’s ridiculous. The beat and flow matter. Go listen to the best diss tracks all time (No Vaseline, Him Em Up, Ether, Takeover, etc) and then killshot. It doesn’t come close. Lyrics are obviously the most important part, but killshot is a pretty weak response. Lyrically, it arguably tops Rap Devil, but as a song, Rap Devil is hands down ahead imo.
JetsWillFly4Ever
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'arguably tops Rap Devil'
Name one good diss in Rap Devil, they were all shit, and the chorus sucked. It was a fine song, catchier beat, but lyrically pretty shitty.
Lol and why is it ridiculous? Those other tracks were great diss tracks because of the lines. It just so happens they had nice beats and you could bob your head to them, but that didn't make them more savage. Gotta fear those beats. No one wants smoke with Kanye and his beat-making.
Answer these questions for me:
1. What is the purpose of a diss track?
2. What is the purpose of a song?
3. How does a beat further a diss track's purpose?
And I'll extend you the same invitation I extended the fella above - please list your top bars from Rap Devil and we'll go from there in comparing the two.
Dubi Doo
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I can't believe it's even a debate. Eminem lyrically murdered MGK. MGK choosing a better beat doesn't come close to outweighing Eminem's lyrical onslaught.
People out here hear an autotuned hook and a catchy beat and think it means someone is a better rapper lol. That's what diss tracks are for: to test someone's skills as a rapper, aka lyricist. Yet people out here talking about beats and hooks...
I thought the Real Slim Shady and 8 Mile lines were nice in Rap Devil, but other than that it was pretty elementary and Eminem turned every one of his disses around on him in his response.
YNWA14
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I dont know how anyone that listened to each diss track could possibly think MGK went harder or had better content. It's literally not even remotely close.
From the stan reference, to the man bun, to always being in shadys shadow to giving him a career just to destroy it, etc. Eminem not only beat MGK with his own stuff he delivered it in a much more clever and technical style.
From the stan reference, to the man bun, to always being in shadys shadow to giving him a career just to destroy it, etc. Eminem not only beat MGK with his own stuff he delivered it in a much more clever and technical style.
Yup. Every diss MGK had was reversed and fired back. He's old became I'm older than you and my last album outsold your entire discography. I'm shorter than you became a flex on his legacy and the line about if he was 3'11" MGK would still look up to him. Also referencing the Stanning with keep Hailee's name out your mouth with my dick in yours - that line was brutal.
It's become so popular to hate on Eminem that people have lost all objectivity. MGK had a couple good lines in Rap Devil, but he got absolutely bodied AINEC.
People in here talking about this like diss tracks are in regular rotation in their playlists or chill with their friends while it’s playing in the background. Like for real? Diss wise, Em killed him. There’s really nothing he can say to come back at Em with.
I know it’s 2018 and it’s “cool” to trash Em but this is nuts.
Muston Atthews
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Well, you're making a claim so I'm asking you to back up that claim. It's a very minority opinion since even Benzino (who was throwing shots at Eminem as recently as this week) admitted MGK got bodied. How would I know which specific ones went over your head lol. The only way I could do that is post the entire lyrics and go through them one by one. So I thought it would be easier for you to list memorable bars so we could compare the tracks.
And beat has nothing to do with making a quality diss track. A song and a diss track have very different purposes. The former is artistry where instrumentation matters, and the latter is essentially battle rap. A beat doesn't add anything as far as proving you're a better rapper than the other guy or disrespecting him.
Music is so subjective how can I “back up” my opinion? Lol. Eminem has a rep as a guy not to beef with and hasn’t had anyone to really diss in a while which is why the diss is being so hyped up. It’s good but I liked MGKs better
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Muston Atthews
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That Hailie line was also pretty weird, talking about MGK sucking his dick in the same breath as talking about his daughter. Pretty much set up MGK to hit one out the park if he has the balls to reply and use a line about Hailie in that variety
Dubi Doo
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There's so much creativity in Em's diss. I'm not sure people have the patience to decipher it, and if you dont know some hip hop history, then you'll be a bit lost in the dark.
I agree that music's subjective, but that doesn't mean that certain aspects of it aren't more objective, nor that certain opinions are better than others. For instance, if someone said "I like Benzino better than Jay-Z" we'd all know how to weigh that person's opinion. Especially if they're unwilling to talk about why they think it's better.
And the diss is being hyped up because it's good lol. Em has been shit on all year, you think people are in a rush to hand him this W? There's a reason MGK is the only one that's taken the bait in years - everyone knows not to f*** with him.
The Nuge
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I can’t speak for others, but ya, I do have a ton of diss tracks in my rotation. Because the best diss tracks out there are also some of the best songs. Killshot is solid lyrically, but kind of a trash song for a guy of Em’s calibre
Just as an example of why I think Rap Devil is underrated. Everyone’s dissing MGK for going after Em’s looks and age, but Em did it first, and MGK called him on it and turned it back around. Look at Em’s verse in the sauce
“you're just too old
No wonder you're sore now, lordy, you're bored now
I'm pushin' 30, you're kickin' 40's door down”
And MGK’s in Rap Devil
“You're sober and bored, huh? (I know)
About to be 46 years old, dog”
“Em, you're pushin' 50”
Em’s response makes me wonder if he even realized the reference
“With your corny lines (Slim, you're old) – ow, Kelly, ooh”
He basically just insulted his own lyrics without realizing it, and it’s not the only time Em’s lyrics don’t make sense, despite everyone acting like it’s flawless.
For the example, the line everyone’s loving
“But, Kells, the day you put out a hit's the day Diddy admits
That he put the hit out that got Pac killed”
Em hasn’t had a song chart in the top 5 since 2013. MGK did just last year.
MGK is also in no way a mumble rapper, to the point where it really sticks out as a bad line.
This is my favourite rapper alive (Em) going after my 2nd favourite rapper alive (MGK) so I’d like to think I can look at this objectively. Both were good, and had a lot behind the lyrics when you look more closely, but both can also be dissected to find flaws. It’ll be interesting to see MGK’s response now to say the least
The thing with MGK's track is that, nobody goes at Em. So hearing someone do it was kinda like a shock, and he did have a couple decent lines in there, so some people were impressed. But when the surprise is over and you listen to Rap Devil again, you realize it's really weak. I mean he's just saying Em is old, he has a weird beard, he reads the dictionary, he's the GOAT, he's in everybody's top 10 etc...
He did make an enjoyable track though. He got millions of views, sold the track on iTunes, so he'll make some bucks out of it. Good for him.
But Eminem just completely destroyed MGK on that track. Damn, that was fire.
He did make an enjoyable track though. He got millions of views, sold the track on iTunes, so he'll make some bucks out of it. Good for him.
But Eminem just completely destroyed MGK on that track. Damn, that was fire.
YNWA14
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Also I actually like the killshot beat. It's simple but that's the point.
There's so much in it you can listen to it 10 times. You only need to listen to Rap Devil once tbh.
I don't think you're looking at it objectively if MGK is your second favorite rapper alive though. Eminem wasn't kidding when he said there are so many better out there; it also means you'll naturally want it to be closer than it is.
Is that a death threat or a love letter? MGK should stick to opening for Fall Out Boy.
There's so much in it you can listen to it 10 times. You only need to listen to Rap Devil once tbh.
I don't think you're looking at it objectively if MGK is your second favorite rapper alive though. Eminem wasn't kidding when he said there are so many better out there; it also means you'll naturally want it to be closer than it is.
Is that a death threat or a love letter? MGK should stick to opening for Fall Out Boy.
DaBadGuy316
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You can't dissect bars without context. Benzino was trying to get his career started at an old age, that's why Em was tapping him on that one ("you ain't gonna blow, bitch, you're just too old"). Besides , it's battle rap - you go at your opponent with whatever you think will touch them the most. You don't necessarily have to believe it yourself. When we're talking about little taps like that, hypocrisy doesn't come into play. Now, if Em had called someone's underage daughter hot over Twitter...then we'd be talking substantial hypocrisy.
MGK has had ONE song in the top 5. So no, he doesn't have "hits." He's had one hit that was a duet. Em is the top-selling performer of the century lol. Besides, Em just this week had a song chart at 6 and another in the top 10. Top 5 is a pretty arbitrary cutoff.
And who said it was a flawless diss? That's a strawman. You're also taking things too literal in an effort to point out these flaws. Em called him a mumble rapper, to highlight that compared to a rap god, he's on that level. Or maybe it was to set up the dick in the mouth joke. Either way, it wasn't meant to be literal, it was meant to piss MGK off. When MGK said the real slim shady line, did he really mean that Em is too old to stand up? At least apply the same standard to both rappers.
You also cherrypick and nitpick the above examples and ignore the lyrical onslaught that was the overall body of work. Just a sampling:
Realized I forgot to call you back
Here's that autograph for your daughter, I wrote it on a Starter cap
Stan, Stan, son, listen, man, dad isn't mad
But how you gonna name yourself after a damn gun and have a man bun?
How can a dude with a man bun be talking all that hard shit? Also the Stan reference was brutal - MGK's diss was like insulting someone but saying "no offence" before you do it so they won't get mad. Except his "no offence" was constant praise for how great Em is throughout the track.
Ho, chill, actin' like you put the chrome barrel to my bone marrow
Gun, I bet you ain't a bow and arrow
Say you'll run up on me like a phone bill, sprayin' lead
Playin' dead, that's the only time you hold still
Named yourself after a gangster? Machine gun, you're a bow and arrow. All while firing multis at him, compared to MGK's basic ass rhymes, just to remind him who's better.
Luxury, oh, you broke, bitch?
Yeah, I had enough money in '02
To burn it in front of you, ho
Younger me? No, you're the whack me
It's funny, but so true
I'd rather be 80 year old me than 20 year old you
MGK wants to pop shit about how he's the new Em, but he's not nearly as successful or talented or popular. So why would Em be jealous?
Got more fans than you in your own city, lil' kiddy
Go play, feel like I'm babysitting Lil Tay
Got the Diddy okay so you spent your whole day
Shootin' a video just to f***in' dig your own grave
More of the above.
It's your moment, this is it
As big as you're gonna get, so enjoy it
Had to give you a career to destroy it
MGK's most-viewed video? Rap Devil by a mile. Ouch.
Had enough of this tatted-up mumble rapper
How the f*** can him and I battle?
He'll have to f*** Kim in my flannel
I'll give him my sandals
'Cause he knows long as I'm Shady, he's gon' have to live in my shadow
Destroys the Kim line.
Exhausting, letting off on my offspring
Like a gun barrel, bitch, get off me
You dance around it like a sombrero, we can all see
You're f***in salty 'cause young Gerald's balls-deep inside of Halsey
More Stan references. Kills him for G-Eazy.
your red sweater, your black leather
you dress better, I rap better
that a death threat or
a love letter?
Brutal.
This one wasn't even close, objectively.
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Ya that's the thing...MGK emptied his clip on Eminem. From the Sway interview, you can tell Em was ambivalent about responding. He probably has a lot more he can hit him with. He doesn't want to give him toooo much attention.
YNWA14
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Calls him stan then mentions he dug his own grave. Career suicide inference and says it's a love letter...kind of like how Stan finished (you know the obsessed fan that was in love with him then committed suicide).
Layers.
The Nuge
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Maybe. But that same logic also means that people who aren’t fans of his are going to act like it’s less close than it is.
That doesn’t asnwer the question of if Em is allowed to do it, why can’t MGK reference it to call him out?
Ok but that doesn’t change the fact that MGK did have a a hit. Em’s lyric wasn’t “put out hits is the day diddy admits”. It was “put out a hit's the day Diddy admits“ as in singular. “You”ll never put out a hit”. Yet he put out a song that was a bigger hit than anything Em has put out in years. I’m just pointing out the irony
Again, I’m not saying Rap Devil topped Killshot lyrically. Just that people are to quick to write off Rap Devil and seem to have missed references in it.
