Music: Eminem - Kamikaze

[The Nuge]

This is great for MGK probably the most press he’s had ever.


To be honest other than him appearing on raw I didn’t k ow who he was. Heck I thought he was some rock musician and not a rapper

I’m surprised there’s so many people who haven’t heard of MGK. All his albums have charted in the top 10, he’s had some massive songs, and collaborated with some of the best in the business.

You’re right about the press part though. The funny thing is Em’s had a no MGK on Shade 45 rule to try and bury him, and then he goes and puts his name everywhere.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

He was way better when he was anti establishment, now he is establishment. His music isnt edgy anymore.

Music now is horrible so it's not harder to be better than the masses.

The state of the genre is pretty good imo. Every genre has their shit like Pump and whatnot, but rap/hip-hop is pretty damn good these days with quality releases these last few years more than shit offerings.

I don’t get the whole anti-establishment/establishment argument and how that relates to the quality of his music.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

He was never done but he was never going to be the guy we were introduced to as young kids in the late 90s or early 2000s either. That guy had nothing to lose but now that he's made it theres no point to be anything but an establishment stooge to keep his gravy train going. I mean him dissing the president took no balls because the whole industry is. He's a sellout. I don't at all care for the genre but I used to like Eminem because he wasnt like the others, now thw only difference between him and a **** like poop Dogg is their skin color.

You make it sound like he only went after the president because everyone else was doing it. The dude has never been shy to speak out against the president. He said he’d rather see Bush dead back in 2002 ffs. This isn’t new stuff for him. He literally told fans that supported him and Trump to essentially f*** off cause he doesn’t want them.

The fact with Em is people shit on an extremely underrated album in the moment (Relapse) that pushed him to the more poppy sound up until Kamikaze. He completely scrapped Relapse 2 because of the negative reviews when, looking back, it’s extremely underrated.

 

[Sports Enthusiast]

The state of the genre is pretty good imo. Every genre has their **** like Pump and whatnot, but rap/hip-hop is pretty damn good these days with quality releases these last few years more than **** offerings.

I don’t get the whole anti-establishment/establishment argument and how that relates to the quality of his music.

Being anti establihment and all that gains popularity. People like authentic. These people these days are about all the same.

I feel like the music scene was way better 15 years ago as a whole. Now it's all mostlu rap or country. Theres very little alternative. The hip hop is not what it used to be. Whatever happened to things like Green Day and American Idiot as an example. Theres nobody and nothing that challenges anything. Except for Kanye Pest. I wouldnt call him a rebel though, I feel like his music has dropped. The only thing he did was sit there and say on stage that he would have voted for Trump and that the people with control didn't want him to say that. So they staged a mental breakdown and gave him a labotomy. I don't care for the guy, biggest reason being that wife of his I suppose but it was nice to hear someone these days be real about something.

Em dissed the president a few months before the release of this album, it was nothing more than to get attention and drum up sales cause he hadn't really done anything in years. I don't really care that he did it but it was nothing more than a marketing tactic. These people DON'T CARE about you or where they came from. Em is this poor white kid from Detroit. He's totally forgotten all about those people, where he was and where he came from. That's what pisses me off, I don't care if he grandstands for LGBTQ or whatever because he has a bisexual daughter that hes adopted. Maybe he knew and did that intentionally. Not that I care, these people just pander to the masses, tell them what to think and they sheep buy in although they don't care about you or the people they grew up with. These people are fake. Em has always had good music when he was pissed but hes got nothing to be pissed at now with the millions and all that he has. His life is EASY compared to 20 years ago being a nobody trying to make it.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Being anti establihment and all that gains popularity. People like authentic. These people these days are about all the same.

I feel like the music scene was way better 15 years ago as a whole. Now it's all mostlu rap or country. Theres very little alternative. The hip hop is not what it used to be. Whatever happened to things like Green Day and American Idiot as an example. Theres nobody and nothing that challenges anything. Except for Kanye Pest. I wouldnt call him a rebel though, I feel like his music has dropped. The only thing he did was sit there and say on stage that he would have voted for Trump and that the people with control didn't want him to say that. So they staged a mental breakdown and gave him a labotomy. I don't care for the guy, biggest reason being that wife of his I suppose but it was nice to hear someone these days be real about something.

Em dissed the president a few months before the release of this album, it was nothing more than to get attention and drum up sales cause he hadn't really done anything in years. I don't really care that he did it but it was nothing more than a marketing tactic. These people DON'T CARE about you or where they came from. Em is this poor white kid from Detroit. He's totally forgotten all about those people, where he was and where he came from. That's what pisses me off, I don't care if he grandstands for LGBTQ or whatever because he has a bisexual daughter that hes adopted. Maybe he knew and did that intentionally. Not that I care, these people just pander to the masses, tell them what to think and they sheep buy in although they don't care about you or the people they grew up with. These people are fake. Em has always had good music when he was pissed but hes got nothing to be pissed at now with the millions and all that he has. His life is EASY compared to 20 years ago being a nobody trying to make it.

Ok I’m on mobile so I’ll try dissecting this as best I can cause some of this is ridiculous.

While anti-establishment is how Eminem blew up (along with his immense lyricism and legit being one of the GOATs and having Classic after classic after classic), you can blow up like Kendrick, Cole, etc., these guys weren’t anti-establishment like that. They were just talented as f***, stayed in their lane and blew up.

Your Kanye/lobotomy comment is so insane I’m not even going to entertain it. The guy has a mental illness that he’s open about. Lobotomy? Jesus Christ, dude.

He dissed Trump before REVIVAL, not Kamikaze. Kamikaze had no hype whatsoever. It was a drop out of nowhere and is flying up the charts. Revival did weak sales for someone of Em’s caliber and that was post-Trump diss, whereas Kamikaze already seems lined up to blow past it with no hype.

I honestly have no idea what the hell the LGBTQ community has to do with anything. Eminem has never been homophobic and while he’s said the f-word a lot (who didn’t in that era?) he’s never been homophobic and is friends with Elton John. This isn’t anything new. I legit have no idea what point you were trying to make. He didn’t sell out because he’s not homophobic lol sorry he doesn’t say Homophobic Slur every third verse now

 

[Sports Enthusiast]

You make it sound like he only went after the president because everyone else was doing it. The dude has never been shy to speak out against the president. He said he’d rather see Bush dead back in 2002 ffs. This isn’t new stuff for him. He literally told fans that supported him and Trump to essentially **** off cause he doesn’t want them.

The fact with Em is people **** on an extremely underrated album in the moment (Relapse) that pushed him to the more poppy sound up until Kamikaze. He completely scrapped Relapse 2 because of the negative reviews when, looking back, it’s extremely underrated.

Yes, that was going out on a limb though. Didn't like Bush but he was protected by the media and never called out. I think saying death for anyone is too far but it was atleast going against the establishment grain because Bush was part of the structure. The hypocritical thing i though in 03 the Dixie Chicks came out saying they were embarassed he was from Texas and their careers basically ended. In a way it's hypocrisy by who is proped up by the guard.

So he's willing to turn down profits for groupthink? No dialogue? It's clear these people don't want dialogue whether its entertainment, pop culture or name brands. They pander to the uneducated while driving the educated away. Nike is doing it with the Kaepernick thing, the NFL with the anthem and now entertainers who can't handle people who don't think like them. It's not original because these people do nothing but grandstand on oppression. Yes a guy like poop Dogg is so oppressed. He gets to make a music video where he kills the president and faces no repurcussion, so much oppression. I'm not even for the president but the establishment through their channels, whether it's TV cable news, cable TV networks, programs, entertainment and pop culture are all doing nothing but resisting. Theres a line in the sand and they want the whole republic against. Like not even being in the middle is okay. It's not 2002 and wishing Bush to be dead is nothing but towing the narrative now. The irony about it all though is Trump was one of the most rapped about names before he ran for president, it's only changed because hes not for these people who lecture you to do things like give up your guns yet all have bodyguards protecting their properties and they have guns.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

@Sports Enthusiast i don’t think Nike partnering with Kaepernick is driving the educated away at all based on responses but that’s a topic for a different forum.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

You make it sound like he only went after the president because everyone else was doing it. The dude has never been shy to speak out against the president. He said he’d rather see Bush dead back in 2002 ffs. This isn’t new stuff for him. He literally told fans that supported him and Trump to essentially **** off cause he doesn’t want them.

The fact with Em is people **** on an extremely underrated album in the moment (Relapse) that pushed him to the more poppy sound up until Kamikaze. He completely scrapped Relapse 2 because of the negative reviews when, looking back, it’s extremely underrated.

Listening back to Relapse...that's easily Eminem's most underrated album. I get why people were underwhelmed, as he came back with that accent and quite a few filler songs. But the heights of the album were insane, it blows my mind how he put out an album like Recovery just a year later. Songs like Deja Vu and Same Song and Dance, those are classic Em.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

Listening back to Relapse...that's easily Eminem's most underrated album. I get why people were underwhelmed, as he came back with that accent and quite a few filler songs. But the heights of the album were insane, it blows my mind how he put out an album like Recovery just a year later. Songs like Deja Vu and Same Song and Dance, those are classic Em.

Eminem went the poppy route because he thought people wanted that since they shit on Relapse so bad. His plan was to release Relapse 2 but he completely scrapped it after the reviews. It's a shame because Relapse was better than Recovery imo. I'm not sure what I prefer between Relapse and MMLP2, but Relapse was incredibly underrated.

Personally I never understood the hate for Relapse from the moment. A bit much on the accents, but it was so much better than Recovery for me. I started getting an idea of the route he was going with with Recovery and I wanted no part of that from Eminem cause he simply didn't need to do that.

 

[MAHJ71]

Enjoyed pretty much the entire CD minus the song 'Nice Guy'

Favorites would be a tie between 'Lucky You' & 'Not Alike'

 

[YNWA14]

Agree with the first part. MGK is seriously underrated, and isn’t going to get buried like people are claiming. This “beef” won’t end because he can’t respond. I love Em, but I guarantee he’s not about to drop a no vaseline.

Couldn’t disagree more with the second part though. Em is the GOAT, and he’s still got it. The more music he puts out, the better. When he’s gone, everyone will wish he put out more

I actually really like MGK, but he's not going to be able to hold his own. Even Rap Devil, which is catchy and has some decent content is still incredibly basic when you compare it with Em's stuff. MGK has a nice flow but it's technically not at a level that can even come close to SS when he comes out.

 

[tacogeoff]

I actually really like MGK, but he's not going to be able to hold his own. Even Rap Devil, which is catchy and has some decent content is still incredibly basic when you compare it with Em's stuff. MGK has a nice flow but it's technically not at a level that can even come close to SS when he comes out.

Lets be honest though. No one is going to hold up against Eminem in a battle.

I don't mind MGK either. I am glad to see someone clap back at least. Rap Devil exceeded my expectations and I thought it was pretty darn good. It had a few corny bars but the hook was good, he had a few really good bars and he spoke a lot of industry "truths" which really made it interesting.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Finally listened to it a few times. I say I like about half of the songs. Definitely better than Revival by a longshot. Lucky You is probably my favorite.

 

[RickP]

I can't say I'm feeling all of the tracks, but there are some awesome tracks on that album. Lucky You is the probably the best one. I would have scrapped "Nice Guy" and made a longer version of "Good Guy" instead, but whatever... It's a solid album overall.

I just wish he'd go back to working with Dre and making his own beats, like in his prime years. I know Dre is an executive producer on all his albums, but the last Eminem album that only had beats by Dre and himself was Relapse, and that album sounded great, except the accents and lyrical content were annoying.

Now that Eminem seems back on track, it would be great to hear what he can do on some Dre beats. I think the last track they made together was in 2010. It's such a shame.

 

[The Nuge]

I actually really like MGK, but he's not going to be able to hold his own. Even Rap Devil, which is catchy and has some decent content is still incredibly basic when you compare it with Em's stuff. MGK has a nice flow but it's technically not at a level that can even come close to SS when he comes out.

I think I’m using hold his own in a different way than you. I’m not saying he’s going to win, but there’s a big difference between losing, and getting buried. He’s almost guaranteed to lose, but Rap Devil already proved he’s not going down without a fight, and that it’ll be entertaining.

Lets be honest though. No one is going to hold up against Eminem in a battle.

I don't mind MGK either. I am glad to see someone clap back at least. Rap Devil exceeded my expectations and I thought it was pretty darn good. It had a few corny bars but the hook was good, he had a few really good bars and he spoke a lot of industry "truths" which really made it interesting.

Yep. Em is top 2 lyrically imo, and the other guy died in 96. It doesn’t matter who you are, you’ll lose.

 

[YNWA14]

I understand what you were saying, but I'm saying based on Rap Devil and the rest of his body of work MGK will get buried if Em decides to have a real go at him. People got hyped up because RD had a nice hook, a catchy beat and some personal attacks but like I said before it was incredibly basic and downright corny at times. Maybe that appeals to the newer generation a bit but this is easier work than Benzino IMO.

 

[tacogeoff]

I understand what you were saying, but I'm saying based on Rap Devil and the rest of his body of work MGK will get buried if Em decides to have a real go at him. People got hyped up because RD had a nice hook, a catchy beat and some personal attacks but like I said before it was incredibly basic and downright corny at times. Maybe that appeals to the newer generation a bit but this is easier work than Benzino IMO.

Agreed that Em will bury him. but without an MGK response we wouldn't be hanging on a ledge waiting for an Em to strike back, as no one else took the bait. its great for the genre and very entertaining. Hopefully MGK comes with another response after.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

little bit of me thinks Em is disappointed only MGK responded lol. He didn't name drop Drake, but even if he did, Drake ran from Push earlier in the year and doesn't need to take another L, Tyler doesn't do diss tracks, Earl wouldn't care to respond, Yachty, Peep and Xan couldn't do anything, Migos can't rap about anything other than watches and cars, and Budden is staying in his retirement lane. Charlamagne can only give Em donkey of the day in any sort of response so yeah.

 

[silkyjohnson50]

I still think The Ringer is my favorite song on here.

Yep. Em is top 2 lyrically imo, and the other guy died in 96. It doesn’t matter who you are, you’ll lose.

BIG died in 97

 

[Stand Witness]

 

[YNWA14]

He buried MGK in the first 30 seconds.

 

[StevenB]

He knows as long as I'm Shady he'll have to live in my shadow.... nah idc Em actually went off on him

 

[H3ckt1k]

f***ing love the response

 

[M.C.G. 31]

That's it he's dead

 

[holy]

Beats whack and flow is corny. Meh. Should've called up Ronny J. Rap Devil's a better song.