Mach85
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Lol it's the definition of pedantic. I'm starting to see why you didn't get the diss. Igonoring the whole product to pick out a couple lines and take them too literally is completely pedantic. I explained the purpose of the bar previously, how it's not meant to be taken literal and it's about disrespect. I won't repeat myself. I've already admitted when I was wrong in this discussion, you have a hard time doing so even when you're objectively wrong like on this pedantic point you've chosen as a hill to die on for whatever reason.In what universe is it pendantic? If you’re going to say a guy can’t make a hit song, you should make sure you’ve got a song bigger than his in the last like 5 years.
It’s not, because you’re saying it has no impact whatsoever. Delivery matters. The confidence behind the words in hit em up, the anger behind no vaseline. They’re things that impact the words being said. You keep trying to act like I’m only talking about the beat, and don’t acknowledge that I’m taking about other things like the flow. Killshot is strong lyrically with a weak concept and delivery imo.
Again, I’m not just referencing the beat.
Please lol. I understand it all. It’s not some deep piece that takes years to understand. You basically just posted all the lyrics in the song. I’ve read them already. I didn’t even know what you were trying to accomplish there. And the Shady shadow line is exactly the type of thing I’m talking about. It’s a clever line. But it’s saying I’m so big you’re going to always be in my shadow. If you’re going for a Killshot, you’ve gotta be able to reference something better than you’re not as big as me.
I didn’t say that. But you keep throwing that out there for some reason. I’ve also never said a beat wins a diss war. Where are you even getting this from? I said it’s a better song. Not a better diss. Killshot is the one to beat right now. The bad take is yours.
There are parts that don’t, but the bulk of the song is. Go back and relisten to it. I’m not saying what he wrote isn’t good. It is. It’s fantastic. But the content is centered around something that isn’t really an insult.
“Dad isn’t mad”
“But you're a ****in' mole hill
Now I'ma make a mountain out of you”
“Got more fans than you in your own city, lil' kiddy, go play“
They’re great lines, but they’re not lines that end a battle. MGK went way more savage with his content. Em did it better. Em could have ended things, but didn’t. If you’re going to take 2 weeks to respond to something that came out in 3 days, can’t you come up with a better idea to go after him with than saying you’re more popular? Yes, he addresses most of Rap Devil, and does it creatively, but he does it with words that don’t have a lot of sting. If you want to bury him, go after him. Don’t go after his sales figures.
What? No it doesn’t. It boils down to “you’re an upperclass white dude. Quit acting like you’re a thug”. Rap Devil beats not alike. Killshot beats Rap Devil. We’ll see if MGK can step it up now.
How was MGK more savage? List bars. He told him he was gonnna kill him in the same breath as calling him the GOAT? Em literally addressed that in his response. And Em is currently doing an album rollout, and Mac Miller just died. Dropping a diss track while the hiphop community is mourning is not a good look. Mr. Porter hinted that Em was gonna drop last week until Mac died. Also, Ether, that track you referenced as so great. Guess what? Nas took SIX MONTHS to come back with that. Dude, you gotta brush up on your hip hop history. You don't seem to know what a diss track is for and think catchiness matters, and your knowledge of diss track history is obviously flawed.
You're also saying Rap Devil beats Not Alike....lol. Not Alike is an album cut, it's not a diss track. He had a couple bars in it for Kelly. Not exactly a fair comparison, but whatever makes you think your second fave rapper is decent. And Em's bars in Not Alike were waaay more complex and hard-hitting than any MGK had in Rap Devil. Don't agree? Name some in Rap Devil, which you still haven't done.
The shady-shadow line was one line among many. You're making it look like that's the only thing he said. Several others have called you out on your horrible take on saying the only thing he said was that he's bigger than MGK. You can read the lyrics but it doesn't mean you understand them. Good job picking out 1/4 of bars to make them sound weaker, or leaving out the less impactful ones tho, and saying MGK was savage but giving no examples lol.
You're the one who referenced the beat to knock Killshot. The rest of us are saying the beat doesn't matter in a diss. It's immaterial. Why wouldn't I address it when you literally quoted me to tell me the beat matters in a diss track? I don't know why you're trying to spin the narrative here and evaluating the two tracks as songs, when that was never their purpose. They're not trying to chart, they're trying to get at each other. Ask yourself that when you're telling yourself you're being objective. It's like evaluating someone's horror movie in the category "scariest movie of the year" and saying "his movie was funnier so his movie was better." Yes, movies when made for entertainment purposes, i.e., to sell or to chart, are made differently. ie. for mass appeal, than a movie that's made for a specific purpose. Same thing for a diss track that's made for a specific purpose: to lyrically destroy your opponent. Someone bringing up the beat or how good it is as an overall song in order to tear it down quite obviously has ulterior motives or just doesn't know hiphop. Your choice on which one it is.
And you haven't really talked much about the flow, but Em has him beat there. He used like 5 different flows in his track whereas MGK used the same simple flow throughout. That's not a minus for MGK, he's just punching above his weight class. Again, in the purpose of a diss track, which is to determine who's the better rapper by embarrassing the other rapper in a display of skills, that's a clear win for Em.