Player Discussion Elias Pettersson Talk | Also Chiropractors, the Medical Staff, and You

[rypper]

Having said that, I’d give him till January, then we gotta seriously consider trade/buyout.

Ridiculous. Even with how he's played, if he was on the market 31 teams would be interested.

 

[credulous]

"people" being 2-3 posters here who just plainly don't like him. Which is their right, he's definitely got some quirks, but psychologically it must be hard to dislike one of your team's star players so much. Also, pretty sad to use the worst of this market's toxic behaviour to justify your own.

sure i'm not tarring everyone with the same brush. i just think there are some posters who -- charitably -- are inconsistent in the standards to which they hold different players

 

[F A N]

when pettersson was successful people talked about how cerebral and even keeled he was and how he had icy determination. he acts exactly the same now but because he's not putting up points people read it as him being a sulky manchild who's bitter he's stuck in vancouver

I'm not so sure that he is acting exactly the same now. I think early on in his NHL career we saw some Datsyuk in him where he was able to play a pressure game all over the ice. He got away from that over the years. Last year at the beginning of the season we saw him playing a type of physical game that we didn't see from him before.

I think the sulky manchild stuff just comes from a certain poster here or two. I agree that it's not nice to demean others like so and have spoken out in the past about these things but not enough people care.

From my perspective, I think criticism of Petey is warranted. My instinct is to direct criticism somewhere while discussing solutions. I also try to be fair. We've all seen what Petey is capable of. If he's suffering from minor nagging injury then he needs to find a way to produce. Assuming that we're not dealing with a player who has lost a step and declined, I'm having trouble finding an excuse for Petey's poor play and production. Part of a player's value is in their ability to stay healthy and perform while playing hurt because virtually no player is going to go through the season 100% healthy. Boeser, for example, scored goals in the playoffs with a broken finger. I am 99% sure Petey has played hurt in the past and produced.

If he's injured to the point that is causing him to play poorly I think the team should shut him down given that he's not effective. Protect your arguably your 2nd most mportant asset here. If it's a matter of geting him going, there are traditional ways like playing him until he figures it out, reuniting the Lotto Line, or playing him with someone who might spark his play (which Tocchet did playing Petey with Garland).

 

[PuckMunchkin]

miller's body language is still horrific it's just been recontextualized with his success as him being a passionate leader who wears his heart on his sleeve and leaves it all on the ice

when pettersson was successful people talked about how cerebral and even keeled he was and how he had icy determination. he acts exactly the same now but because he's not putting up points people read it as him being a sulky manchild who's bitter he's stuck in vancouver

This is a great observation.

Is life just a series of Rorschach tests and then we die?

 

[JT Milker]

Good to know that the "Bannign Bros XD" witch hunt continues. Really leads to healthy discourse.

Imagine having the gall to post this.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Jesus Christ this thread is an absolute trainwreck. And to think we all got along so well last season...

 

[credulous]

I'm not so sure that he is acting exactly the same now. I think early on in his NHL career we saw some Datsyuk in him where he was able to play a pressure game all over the ice. He got away from that over the years. Last year at the beginning of the season we saw him playing a type of physical game that we didn't see from him before.

i wasn't saying he was playing the same just that his demeanour and body language hasn't really changed since the period he was putting up 100 points

 

[MS]

The first bit is toddler logic. "Man make more money, he become superman or he bad".

More money doesn't change the fundamentals of being a human being.

I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your mom and grandma and I hope they are okay, and I know people have to push through tragedy all of the time. But you weren't exactly trying to compete at something at a world class level with the eyes of millions on you and the fate of a billion dollar company resting on you either, were you?

The Boeser stuff is just again uncharacteristically unsubtle coming from you.
The difference between saying, 'yeah he got 40 goals, but he lost his edge a bit. We still believe he can be better', and "I don't care if he's watching his father waste away, he's trash and he doesn't care' is miles and miles away from each other.

And again with the weird hyperbole. Yeah, please compare him to Huberdeau who seems to have completely lost his game for 2 years. Huberdeau, over the last two years combined has literally less than half as many points as Petey does over the same span and Huberdeau isn't remotely as good of a two-way player.

Can you not see why you're rapidly burning through a lot of the credibility that you have literally spent more than 20 years building as a cerebral and nuanced poster?

This isn't the Everybody Is a Special Snowflake league.

First off, we're not judging this guys by the same metrics as 'normal' people. Nathan MacKinnon sounds like an absolutely odious human being but he is celebrated for those traits because they drive excellence for his team. Conversely, while being a chill 'nice guy with high emotional intelligence might be great if you're looking for a friend it probably isn't the personality type you want in an NHL player.

Let me give you two sentences :

1) My buddy Dave just took two days off work at Save-on Foods because his dog was sick and throwing up and he was worried and didn't want to leave him alone.

2) JT Miller will miss the next 2 Canuck playoff games in Dallas because his dog was sick and throwing up and he didn't want to leave him alone, so he won't be traveling with the team.

One of those sounds totally reasonable. The other sounds insane, even though they're exactly the same thing. This is because STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT FOR ELITE ATHLETES GETTING PAID $50-100 MILLION CONTRACTS.

It isn't 'being superman'. It's being able to drown out distractions and show up and do your job. The vast majority of players can do it. Hell, most of us do it in our everyday lives. If you're one of the ones that can't, it's a problem. This is not rocket science.

I seriously don't understand the hate and seething rage on these boards. Like, to me I follow the game because I love the game, I follow the team because I love the team and have since I was a child. I'm happy with wins, and disappointed when we lose. Some players I love, and some I think we might be better off moving on from. But very very rarely do I HATE a player in the league, let alone on our team.

And yet it seems like so many people on these boards treat a player slumping the same way that they would if someone f***ed their girlfriend and killed their dog. I don't get it and find it exhausting.

What the hell are you talking about?

Elias Pettersson carried himself like an absolute ass toward this city and the fans here for an entire year, was given an $80 million contract ... and has then proceeded to deliver an absolutely piss-poor level of compete (coupled with miserable body language) for his last 45 games.

People care about this team. People want to see this team win. We're actually in a place were we *could* win, which is amazing. And it's absolutely infuriating to see the team's highest-paid player moping around and not competing. And people are going to be upset about that. And it's totally fair. And if you want to just be a happy clapper, that's totally fair too.

Nobody, ever, has treated Pettersson like he 'f***ed their girlfriend and killed their dog'. What an absurd thing to say. He's being treated the same way that people talk about a frustrating co-worker who doesn't pull his weight.

And again, I was super happy last season. I'm still mostly super happy now. But Pettersson's performance and it's role in killing our season last year was a Big Freaking Deal, and there is absolutely nothing wrong or weird about being upset about it.

It's also amusing to see that there is apparently some arbitrary point in your mind where Huberdeau's uninspired 50-60 point play becomes 'bad' and worthy of criticism.

 

[Kryten]

 

[Flik]

Jesus Christ this thread is an absolute trainwreck. And to think we all got along so well last season...

I think we're still getting along pretty well overall, its just that we're in a position to be a serious cup contender and that brings a different level of stress in the fandom, especially when one of our few game breaking talents isn't breaking anything except our hearts right now.

 

[Bobby9]

He is throwing his body in to his hits pretty hard so he certainly isn’t injured.

He looked more involved yesterday but still a long long way to say he’s earning his salary.

Went from D rating to C+ over the last 2 games.

 

[sting101]

Lets just hope this guy

doesn't become that guy

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Much better last 2 games, all is well in Canuck Nation.

 

[mriswith]

I don't even know what most posters who aren't borderline trolling like Bobby/MS mean by EP apologists.

Everyone acknowledges he's had a long slump and needs to get back to 90-100 point form, and we all agree on that fact while collectively ignoring that he scored 90 last year and 100 the year before that and we all refer to him as slumping.

We all also agree that we will not ever win a cup if EP plays like he did in the playoffs last year. That's not acceptable to any of us. I don't think anyone attributes 100% of his struggles to his injuries.

That's being an apologist?

Trolling on the other hand to me looks like:

• Talking about buying him out
• Calling his slump waiver wire material
• Talking about how he wants to be an influencer and cares more about his instagram than his game
• Claims that he wasn't actually injured
• Claims that he was injured but it had no real effect on his play
• Making up narratives about holding the franchise hostage based on generic hockey quotes that any player would say, and
• Anytime someone calls out one of the above points, whining about EP nuthuggers and not being able to criticize EP when 99% of the posts about EP are criticism and have been for months, and the "nuthugging" is a gentle reminder that, in addition to whatever problems he's having, last year his wingers sucked and he had some unknown level of injury. It's just ridiculous.

The entire argument started because PM won't let the group of posters off the hook who convinced themselves that he wasn't injured in the playoffs and were very loud about their beliefs, were proven 100% wrong after the playoffs, and instead of going the reasonable route and saying "ok injuries had some amount of effect but we're screwed if he doesn't recover back to his full form" decided to double down with speculating about whether he actually was injured or not, and if he was injured then it was very, very minor and it didn't really effect his play.

JTs body language involved him dragging his feet behind the play after turning the puck over and resulted in goals against. Directly.

Oh I thought we were referring to angry JT breaking sticks on goalposts and yelling, which isn't ideal but also wasn't a big deal to me at the time. I agree that lack of effort during the play is always a problem for any player.

 

[mriswith]

The meme was just a total invention of a notion that people are unwilling to accept an injury might affect a player's play. Which is what you do. Dishonest arguing, attacking strawmen.

No that's what you do whenever someone makes a point that you disagree with but don't have a real answer for.

You have stated repeatedly that you do not believe his "very, very minor" injury had any significant impact on his play. Those are your very words. That is the definition of being unwilling to accept that his injury effected his play which is what you were arguing for pages about with PM and hence meme worthy.

I used to go point by point arguing with you and then I realized that it was pointless because every single time I had you cornered you would do exactly what you're accusing me of here. And if it was a really, really good point, you'd spend the next couple months randomly bringing up your strawman in other threads.


You've literally framed him as a "40 point player" multiple times when he scored 90 last season and 100 the season before that. You've stated that EP is like if Bergeron randomly turned into Jimmy Vesey for a season while talking about his 2024 season. I know that you know he scored 90 last year and aren't literally claiming he had a 40 points season but if I didn't know he scored 90 then reading your posts about him I would literally believe he Huberdeau'd his season last year and half his career instead of finishing last season with 34 goals, a top 20 point finish and being >ppg for his career.


You have used having a hangnail multiple times as an exaggerated (there's that word again) comparison for his injury. You have stated repeatedly that you do not believe his "very, very minor" injury had any significant impact on his play.


None of that is a strawman. Those are all your exact words. You hold these absurd opinions as unquestionable facts and won't accept anything else.

It's the constant exaggerations like these that annoy me enough to actually argue. When you decide to be measured and reasonable I don't feel a need to argue even if I don't fully agree, people are allowed to have different opinions.


I have never seen you or anyone else I consider a borderline troll on this topic even respond to how garbage his wingers were during his slump last year and how no other superstar has "110 point top 5 in the game" expectations with 4th line wingers attached to both wings like he did. The most I've seen is people using some variation of "x player has one bad winger sometimes" or "healthy peak Crosby did it" neither of which are legitimate responses.


As best as I can tell, you are livid first and foremost in this thread that PM won't let you and others who were convinced he wasn't injured in the playoffs forget that he actually was in fact injured to some extent.


Secondarily to that you dislike him as a person because of the narrative you've built up in your head about him off of generic hockey quotes that every player would say.


Tertiary to that, and perhaps foremost for threads that aren't this one, you want to see him try harder and are upset that he underperformed during a legitimate cup run and on this point I almost agree except that for some players "try harder" puts them deeper into their own head and I suspect without proof that this is the case for EP.

 

[Munber1]

hope he's not just trying to put himself in a position to get points so try to take the focus off of his slump in play. That attitude will make him even more desperate for points and a little less eager to do put more effort into things like backchecking, ect. The way he's been playing lately, I'd prefer the Canucks had 2 Garlands out there instead of a Garland and Petterson. I thought was looking a bit better in the last game though.

 

[bandwagonesque]

There don't seem to be any publicly available AI generators willing to create an image of Elias Pettersson nailed to a cross. Interestingly, it's because he's a publicly identifiable figure and not due to the violent nature of crucifixion.

 

[Regal]

No that's what you do whenever someone makes a point that you disagree with but don't have a real answer for.

You have stated repeatedly that you do not believe his "very, very minor" injury had any significant impact on his play. Those are your very words. That is the definition of being unwilling to accept that his injury effected his play which is what you were arguing for pages about with PM and hence meme worthy.

I used to go point by point arguing with you and then I realized that it was pointless because every single time I had you cornered you would do exactly what you're accusing me of here. And if it was a really, really good point, you'd spend the next couple months randomly bringing up your strawman in other threads.


You've literally framed him as a "40 point player" multiple times when he scored 90 last season and 100 the season before that. You've stated that EP is like if Bergeron randomly turned into Jimmy Vesey for a season while talking about his 2024 season. I know that you know he scored 90 last year and aren't literally claiming he had a 40 points season but if I didn't know he scored 90 then reading your posts about him I would literally believe he Huberdeau'd his season last year and half his career instead of finishing last season with 34 goals, a top 20 point finish and being >ppg for his career.


You have used having a hangnail multiple times as an exaggerated (there's that word again) comparison for his injury. You have stated repeatedly that you do not believe his "very, very minor" injury had any significant impact on his play.


None of that is a strawman. Those are all your exact words. You hold these absurd opinions as unquestionable facts and won't accept anything else.

It's the constant exaggerations like these that annoy me enough to actually argue. When you decide to be measured and reasonable I don't feel a need to argue even if I don't fully agree, people are allowed to have different opinions.


I have never seen you or anyone else I consider a borderline troll on this topic even respond to how garbage his wingers were during his slump last year and how no other superstar has "110 point top 5 in the game" expectations with 4th line wingers attached to both wings like he did. The most I've seen is people using some variation of "x player has one bad winger sometimes" or "healthy peak Crosby did it" neither of which are legitimate responses.


As best as I can tell, you are livid first and foremost in this thread that PM won't let you and others who were convinced he wasn't injured in the playoffs forget that he actually was in fact injured to some extent.


Secondarily to that you dislike him as a person because of the narrative you've built up in your head about him off of generic hockey quotes that every player would say.


Tertiary to that, and perhaps foremost for threads that aren't this one, you want to see him try harder and are upset that he underperformed during a legitimate cup run and on this point I almost agree except that for some players "try harder" puts them deeper into their own head and I suspect without proof that this is the case for EP.

He’s talking about the half season slumps when he says “40 point player”. Pettersson has 25 points in his last 45 games including the playoffs, a 46 point pace. He also had 20 points in the first 40 games of 21-22. Injury or not, you just don’t see other star players capable of 100 points have these slumps without sitting. Regardless of the criticisms of him as a player/person, it’s hard to deny that it’s bizarre.