Player Discussion Elias Pettersson Talk | Also Chiropractors, the Medical Staff, and You

[PuckMunchkin]

I never had a problem with JT's body language.

JTs body language involved him dragging his feet behind the play after turning the puck over and resulted in goals against. Directly.

 

[MS]

Gimme a break. This is literally why I posted the meme, it is 100% you.

You can't stop yourself from wildly exaggerating constantly. No one said it's okay, you just can't handle it if someone deviates even the tiniest amount from the narrative you've built in your head.

The meme was just a total invention of a notion that people are unwilling to accept an injury might affect a player's play. Which is what you do. Dishonest arguing, attacking strawmen.

I haven't exaggerated about anything.

Again : minor injury turns a 110-point player into an 80-point player : whatever. Minor injury turns a player from a 110-point player into a pretty much useless bottom-6 C who hasn't scored an ES goal in nearly half a season : not acceptable.

And abso-f***ing-lutely I take issue with posters like Puckmunchkin who are attempting to frame this situation as entirely normal and entirely caused by an injury, and are unwilling to hear any criticism.

Anyone concerned about his play is legit. Anyone pointing out he had garbage on both wings and was injured is legit. Anyone pointing out he's slumping is legit. Anyone pointing out he's slumped before is legit.

Pointing out a minor injury is not the same thing as using it to totally excuse a half-season of catastrophic play, which is what some of you are doing.

Linemates are not an excuse or a reason or anything. It's obvious to anyone that has eyes that his performances are nowhere near their normal levels. And he's stunk with good linemates, too.

You on the other hand have been whining and playing the victim for weeks about how "not allowed to criticize EP" and "EP fanbois hug his nuts every time there's a hint of criticism" when almost every post about EP is very critical and it ranges from reasonable things like the above to you and Bobby9's borderline trolling. You literally get upset if there's even a hint of a post about something that might have had a factor on his play other than being a a wrong emoting diva.

What the hell kind of ridiculous nonsense is this? And you're saying I exaggerate?

I've said a million times that obviously injuries can affect a player's play. Nobody has ever said otherwise.

My reactions are to people who are saying that he shouldn't be criticized because he was/is hurt. And that's total BS, and I've explained why extensively in the parts of my posts that you chop out and ignore so you can focus on attacking me personally.

And, like, f***. I made a nothing comment in a game summary post about how it would have been nice to see him start off well in the preseason after the way last season finished and I had people jumping down my throat. If you even slightly question EP's compete level or character you've basically got 5 people instantly attacking you because HE WAS HURT or HOW DARE YOU or whatever. It's absolutely crazy compared the the way this fanbase reacted to JT Miller when he had a much smaller window of much less terrible play when some character issues bubbled to the surface.

The diva comments were in reference to his handling of his contract situation last year, and I struggle to see how anyone neutral could take issue with them. If going on a boat cruise with Elliotte Friedman and announcing that you're not sure if the Vancouver Canucks are good enough for you to re-sign with and then backing that up with his ridiculous behaviour/interviews all year isn't diva behaviour, I honestly don't know what is.

I never had a problem with JT's body language.

Puckmunchkin absolutely crucified him for it and hasn't shut up about it for two years since.

And while their reaction was comically over-the-top, the reasonable criticism of it was totally fair. As a member of our core leadership group wearing an A, JT Miller shouldn't be acting like a total spaz. And as a member of our core leadership group wearing an A, Elias Pettersson shouldn't look like he's moping around the ice like his dog just died. It's their f***ing job to be professional and project leadership and confidence.

 

[David71]

I posted this on the mainboards, but I think he just has the sort of psychological/mental profile of someone susceptible to burnout. A lot of young, gifted people are like this. You're either super motivated to do something, obsessively improving at it, or you just hit the wall and have no desire to do the very same thing at all after that period of hyperfixation is over.

I think one of the things that defines many generational talents is that sort of single-minded devotion and obsession with their sport, where they'll never get bored of it or lose motivation, even if theyre the best at it. I don't think Pettersson is that type of guy. I think Pettersson has been experiencing that sort of loss of passion for the game and general burnout, and the contract situation and the pressure and scrutiny of being "that guy" who needs to perform really gets to him in a way that it doesnt for someone like Hughes.

He really needs a sports psychologist if he doesn't have one. Im kind of surprised that this isn't a more common issue in the sport; I guess being in the NHL sort of already selects for people that don't get burned out from hockey, but still. You do see this happen from time to time in other sports, at least.

agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.

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[im gangster]

MS and Munchkin sittin in a tree

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[PuckMunchkin]

I posted this on the mainboards, but I think he just has the sort of psychological/mental profile of someone susceptible to burnout. A lot of young, gifted people are like this. You're either super motivated to do something, obsessively improving at it, or you just hit the wall and have no desire to do the very same thing at all after that period of hyperfixation is over.

I think one of the things that defines many generational talents is that sort of single-minded devotion and obsession with their sport, where they'll never get bored of it or lose motivation, even if theyre the best at it. I don't think Pettersson is that type of guy. I think Pettersson has been experiencing that sort of loss of passion for the game and general burnout, and the contract situation and the pressure and scrutiny of being "that guy" who needs to perform really gets to him in a way that it doesnt for someone like Hughes.

He really needs a sports psychologist if he doesn't have one. Im kind of surprised that this isn't a more common issue in the sport; I guess being in the NHL sort of already selects for people that don't get burned out from hockey, but still. You do see this happen from time to time in other sports, at least.

Every NHL regular needs a sports psychologist.

Not having one is like not having a trainer setup your summer training regime.

agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.

The Secret to Nathan MacKinnon's Success - CEP Mindset

Nathan MacKinnon was the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL draft.In his first year with the Colorado Avalanche he: Put up 63 points in 82 regular season games - rounding out to 0.77 points per

cepmindset.com

"Elias Pettersson" and his "injury" should have been "diagnosed" properly by the "Canucks medical staff" and they should have made the call for "him."

 

[im gangster]

agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.

The Secret to Nathan MacKinnon's Success - CEP Mindset

Nathan MacKinnon was the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL draft.In his first year with the Colorado Avalanche he: Put up 63 points in 82 regular season games - rounding out to 0.77 points per

cepmindset.com

Every NHL regular needs a sports psychologist.

Not having one is like not having a trainer setup your summer training regime.


"Elias Pettersson" and his "injury" should have been "diagnosed" properly by the "Canucks medical staff" and they should have made the call for "him."

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