Player Discussion Elias Pettersson Talk | Also Chiropractors, the Medical Staff, and You

[arttk]

Sorry, this is simply not true. He is visibly, tangibly not the same player he was. This isn't simply a slump or dry spell.

He was similar the last time he came back from his wrist injury 3 years ago. So yeah I would say it’s a slump.

 

[bandwagonesque]

He was similar the last time he came back from his wrist injury 3 years ago. So yeah I would say it’s a slump.

It's possible it may be due to injury, as I've said. But he's had an entire off-season to recover and has looked exactly like he has since last January from day one of preseason right up to the present.

 

[arttk]

It's possible it may be due to injury, as I've said. But he's had an entire off-season to recover and has looked exactly like he has since last January from day one of preseason right up to the present.

Like I said, his point pace in Jan was 136 points, Jan was his most productive month like ever.

 

[F A N]

I honestly can't figure Petey out. He doesn't play like your typical streaky goal scorer. Prior to Green's last couple of months here, Petey did exhibit periods where he wasn't as engaged as he was at his best (where he played like a puck hound) but he was still putting up points so it was overlooked. It was during Green's last few months where we first saw Petey really struggle and where most of us became extremely concerned. And while I believe injuries have played a role in his past struggles, he pretty much instantly turned things around under Boudreau. Then the rationalization came in and there was talk of Petey going back to his old stick flex etc.

I really can't think of a player of Petey's calibre who has gone on these kind of funks absent players who were in long-term and or injury-related decline.

I think Miller is extremely overrated here but the divide isnt really there because I am alone on the other side of the chasm.

How so? When Miller first arrived he drove the Lotto Line. Then in 2021-2022 he move to C full time and has put up 99, 82, and 103 point seasons. Along the way and prior to last year for about a couple of seasons he was heavily criticized here for his defensive play and effort, leadership, and "body language." There were also genuine discussions over whether to trade Miller or Horvat.

Meanwhile, I don't recall meaningful conversation about whether Miller is or could be in the same class as McDavid, Matthews, or [insert genuine Art Ross/Hart contender) because we (collectively) didn't think that. So given the expecations and regardless of his defensive play, he has produced well for a 1C. He also genuinely had a fantastic season last year on his way to a 37 goal 103 point season for one of the better regular season teams in the league.

So if we (collecitvely) aren't saying Miller should be in the conversation for being the best player in the league, how are we "extremely overrat[ing]" Miller here? For reference, Miller's 99 point and 103 point seasons were good enough for 9th in league scoring those years.

 

[arttk]

, he pretty much instantly turned things around under Boudreau. Then the rationalization came in and there was talk of Petey going back to his old stick flex etc.

That is actually not true, Benning and Green were fired in Dec and I think it took Petey until mid Jan to get back to his old self.

Yeah looking at the data, he didn’t get back to his old form until Feb that year and I think the common thing from looking at just stats is his shot rate. The shot rate during the loss of form months are like half of his shot rate when he is producing.

 

[Coffees]

I think Miller is extremely overrated here but the divide isnt really there because I am alone on the other side of the chasm.

Bizarre statement, really. I am curious why you think he's overrated ? 8mil cap hit
Players like him and Tkachuk are very rare in this league, style wise there are many, but none are bona fide 1st liners.

Get real, 8 million ? If he goes down we go down

 

[F A N]

That is actually not true, Benning and Green were fired in Dec and I think it took Petey until mid Jan to get back to his old self.

Yeah looking at the data, he didn’t get back to his old form until Feb that year and I think the common thing from looking at just stats is his shot rate. The shot rate during the loss of form months are like half of his shot rate when he is producing.

We might be arguing over semantics here. In January he had 5 goals 7 points in 12 games. I also recall him noticeably being better even if he didn't end up on the score sheet.

 

[arttk]

We might be arguing over semantics here. In January he had 5 goals 7 points in 12 games. I also recall him noticeably being better even if he didn't end up on the score sheet.

Yeah 7 points in a month is low for him, his points went back up to 14 in Feb and then 11 and 19.
He could’ve been better without scoring, don’t remember. But I do remember BB being asked about it and it was not instant considering BB came in Dec and it wasn’t like Green gone and Petey showed up the game after or a several games after.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I have no doubts that at some point Pettersson with check back in and decide to compete again.

The question is how much time will be wasted before that happens.

And you don’t get a free pass for checking out for half a season.

The injury stuff is just lame excuses. Star players play hurt all the time and still find ways to show up and give acceptable performances. You’re an $11.6 million player. Suck it up and compete. Move your f***ing feet.

I hate these kind of posts from you.

You are usually the voice of reason but then you decide to post somethibg batshit crazy.

Bizarre statement, really. I am curious why you think he's overrated ? 8mil cap hit
Players like him and Tkachuk are very rare in this league, style wise there are many, but none are bona fide 1st liners.

Get real, 8 million ? If he goes down we go down

He is emotionally a child and his 5on5 impact is highly overrated.

He has been worth his cap hit easily. But he is seen as this leader here that I doubt he really is capable of being.

 

[Coffees]

He is emotionally a child and his 5on5 impact is highly overrated.

He has been worth his cap hit easily. But he is seen as this leader here that I doubt he really is capable of being.

I still don’t quite get it, but I’ll just have to respect your view on it and kindly disagree. And I’ll just leave it at that

 

[Bobby9]

EP 40 - Zero ESG in almost half a season = He's stoic. He's injured. He's European.

JT = One of the most consistent drivers we've ever had on our team. = He's a child.

 

[sting101]

What a weird hill to die on. I actually like EP40 and know he will break out at some point but ripping Miller as a method of defending Pettersson is just embarrassing right now. The numbers are facts and there is nothing by the eye test that makes those numbers less terrible than they are for a 11m player

 

[VIPettersson]

Hope Petey can regain his form seems like a mental block/confidence thing. When hes on, his decision making is quick and decisive. Notice his almost fright/phobia of shooting the puck. I know they always preach that if you're not scoring you can affect the game in other ways but he shouldn't be throwing the body makes me wince everytime he hurls himself at people. Looks like hes hurting himself more than the opposing player. He will rebound the skill is still clearly there. My Canuck fan paranoia is telling me hes trying to force a trade lol

 

[RobertKron]

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If you compare the same game samples, Petterson put up 3-9-12 in ES and 7-16-23 including PP. Like I said, it’s not where you want it to be but at the same time not the dramatic as you guys want it to be which is JuSt OnE GoAl OMG CaN YoU BeLiEvE It?

Uh, it is still just as dramatic given it was a response to someone making a throwaway comment that Miller likely hadn’t done much better over the same period at ES.

 

[arttk]

Uh, it is still just as dramatic given it was a response to someone making a throwaway comment that Miller likely hadn’t done much better over the same period at ES.

I think I have that user on block so I have no idea that convo is actually going on

 

[Hodgy]

Uh, it is still just as dramatic given it was a response to someone making a throwaway comment that Miller likely hadn’t done much better over the same period at ES.

Ya, @arttk basically is pointing out a minor measuring inconsistency with the size of the turds and it’s really irrelevant.

 

[arttk]

Ya, @arttk basically is pointing out a minor measuring inconsistency with the size of the turds and it’s really irrelevant.

Well my point is that the sampling is done to make it more dramatic. I don’t disagree that it is concerning but I don’t see the point of making things more dramatic.

 

[Hodgy]

Well my point is that the sampling is done to make it more dramatic. I don’t disagree that it is concerning but I don’t see the point of making things more dramatic.

My point is that you are quibbling over the size of a turd when in fact the concern is that we are measuring a turd.

 

[arttk]

My point is that you are quibbling over the size of a turd when in fact the concern is that we are measuring a turd.

I mean this thread has turned into essentially a hate thread. So are you concerned about me not being hateful enough?

 

[Bgav]

@Drop the Sopel shit talking petey in in an oilers pgt. WTF is going on lmao

 

[Peter Griffin]

I hate these kind of posts from you.

You are usually the voice of reason but then you decide to post somethibg batshit crazy.

What is “batshit crazy” about that post? Do you not agree that at some point Pettersson is likely to return to his past form? Or do you actually think that Pettersson is performing to his abilities and is just “unlucky”?

He is emotionally a child and his 5on5 impact is highly overrated.

He has been worth his cap hit easily. But he is seen as this leader here that I doubt he really is capable of being.

Now THIS is a batshit crazy take if there is one.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Uh, it is still just as dramatic given it was a response to someone making a throwaway comment that Miller likely hadn’t done much better over the same period at ES.

You are probably responding to someone I cant see post.

But I figured MS might have the data available as he had dug around.

I just rememberd that Miller had like 3 or 4 5on5 goals in his last 20 games including the playoffs last season.

Sorry if this was not related to me at all.

What is “batshit crazy” about that post? Do you not agree that at some point Pettersson is likely to return to his past form? Or do you actually think that Pettersson is performing to his abilities and is just “unlucky”?

To suggest that he is choosing to not try.

Or pretend you know that is the case.

Clown show posting.

Now THIS is a batshit crazy take if there is one.

What part?

 

[Ernie]

To suggest that he is choosing to not try.

Or pretend you know that is the case.

Yeah, I get that Pettersson has rubbed people the wrong way in the past with his personality but to suggest this intensely competitive player has suddenly taken his $100m and decided to stop playing is deranged.

If I had to guess anything, he's piling up way too much pressure on himself and forcing plays to try to get his mojo back. But that's just speculation, because I have no bloody clue what's going on with this player. If that's the case, though, Canucks fans are just making it worse by turning the volume up this high.

I mentioned in the previous post that this market may not be the best place for Pettersson. It's ridiculous - people will in one breath complain about the market and in the next breath behave like the worst of the people they are complaining about.

Pull yourselves together and act like adults.

 

[MS]

Is this is what I mean by cherry picking…

For Petey you want to extend the 40 games into this season to show oh look the last 40 consecutive games is just 1 ES goal and then for Mik, let’s not count the 3 games beside Bedard where he got 0 across the board and then just extend the window out to include a couple more ES assists. It’s shit like this where you are doing uneven comparisons just to get to the conclusion you want.

If you compare the same game samples, Petterson put up 3-9-12 in ES and 7-16-23 including PP. Like I said, it’s not where you want it to be but at the same time not the dramatic as you guys want it to be which is JuSt OnE GoAl OMG CaN YoU BeLiEvE It?


I am guessing other fan base would be more supportive and not ripping their personal character.

I was responding to a question. I gave the numbers.

For Mikheyev, I thought his time with Vancouver was more relevant since that's what people were familiar with. If you want to take his last 40 games including Chicago he loses one assist. Nothing changes.

Nothing here was cherry-picked. The numbers are shocking no matter how you run them.

To be honest I don’t even know what your perspective about this anymore other than f*** this guy. It’s as if you are waiting for him to slump so you can say, yeah f*** this is who he is, not the other 300+ games, that’s a mirage. This is the real Petey, f*** him.

Where did I say any of that?

I want him to play well.

He played well in 2022 and 2023. He was absolute dogshit in 2021 and 2024.

It's infuriating watching your highest-paid player play this badly. It was infuriating watching our best playoff chance in ages slip away last year in large part because Pettersson had one of the worst playoff no-shows for a star player in recent memory.

We don't have a huge window here. Whatever the hell is happening with Pettersson needs to get fixed because if it continues this season will be lost, too.

 

[arttk]

Yeah, I get that Pettersson has rubbed people the wrong way in the past with his personality

That's the sense I am getting from a lot of posters here. Basically whenever you see anyone talk about body language, it basically means "he is behaving different to my personal and arbitrary expectation".