Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[mriswith]

Hopefully the flu or something and not that EP took one good vintage EP shot and his entire body immediately fell apart.

 

[Nuckles]

Sounds like it's not too serious

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Sounds like it's not too serious

Pretty sure he is 100% health at all times.

 

[Quinntessential]

He realized that he gave Miller an assist and left the game in disgust, then went home to further plot Miller's demise per Dhaliwal

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

bRO from 1:46 PM · Jan 8, 2023 get pucked dude

Yeah they have dates on tweets, just figured that one out?

Oh he absolutely has been out playing Miller.

Miller looks like a ghost of his former self after his extended personal leave.

I thought you ignored me that didn't last long

I know you like Loui Eriksson 2.0.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

He literally cost us the last game… you can keep the glasses.

Technically he didn't, Myers not being able to stop Pinto on a 1 on 1 battle was weak, Lankinen should of actually stopped that puck in OT, even Rick Bowness thought that, now did Miller not play defensively good yes not denying that, but he was far from the reason they lost the game lol.

Looks like your glasses are on all the time, you can keep them.

 

[racerjoe]

Again… lank would not have had to make the save if miller played either play better… Myers would not have had to make a play if miller played it better… they were two primary mistakes…

 

[beachcomber]

Petey has no issues playing against teams like SJ.

 

[thadd]

I haven't been in the loop. Just spend the best part of 2 hours going through this entire thread.

If you can get the media to shut up, it probably won't be a problem keeping both Miller and Petterson on the team, but if you're going to let media scum bring it up daily, it will make the issue unbearable an force a trade, which you guys really don't want

No way you guys are trading Miller and it's so unusual to see a team get good value in a trade for a player as good as Petterson.

You could end up getting as much value for him as Edmonton got for Hall, which is obviously unacceptable.

Shaq and Kobe hated each other, but we're able to put their differences aside and play together on the same court and go on to win .

 

[rypper]

I haven't been in the loop. Just spend the best part of 2 hours going through this entire thread.

If you can get the media to shut up, it probably won't be a problem keeping both Miller and Petterson on the team, but if you're going to let media scum bring it up daily, it will make the issue unbearable an force a trade, which you guys really don't want

No way you guys are trading Miller and it's so unusual to see a team get good value in a trade for a player as good as Petterson.

You could end up getting as much value for him as Edmonton got for Hall, which is obviously unacceptable.

Shaq and Kobe hated each other, but we're able to put their differences aside and play together on the same court and go on to win .

The media brought it up in one scrum, after the coach and captain spoke about it pre game.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Why is it just accepted that the Van media is some insane monster?

I really do not see it. It is rather tame and vanilla when compared to any other major sport in North America...

It is very rare that anyone asks a question that makes a player or coach or gm even some what uncomfortable.

 

[F A N]

Why is it just accepted that the Van media is some insane monster?

I'm not sure that is the case. Most people in the local media are considered nice people and reflective of most people's perception of Vancouver. Basically, aside from Sekeres, there's not a lot of hate or controversy.

I really do not see it. It is rather tame and vanilla when compared to any other major sport in North America...

It is very rare that anyone asks a question that makes a player or coach or gm even some what uncomfortable.

I agree.

 

[theguardianII]

IF Pettersson was to be traded ....
The usual result is the team getting the player wins the trade.
Thorton - Bruins - San Jose, tough to say but SJ - this was never a trade offered throughout the league though.
Lindros - Quebec/Colorado - Flyers - maybe closer to a tie with Colorado winning longer term.
Gretzky - Oilers - Kings - winner Kings but Oilers did win another cup, Kings stuffed the arena.

Just mentioned a few of the biggest names traded but there are many more.

IMO IF Pettersson was dealt if might not be expecting too much less than maybe the Lindros type return.

Multiple firsts, top four Dman or top six forward, 2 AAA prospects.
Not limited to that combination but close to that value.

One issue might be what managements plan is going forward, would they want say a Dobson level dman? Would they want another Dahlin if made available or Powers? Zadorov has gone on to become a top pairing in Boston or top 3 anyway but management didn't want that player or thought 5 mil is too much. So does that limit the return?

 

[rypper]

If the Canucks were to trade Pettersson (or Miller for that matter) the return will be win now pieces not draft picks or prospects.

A top 4 (more likely 2-3) defender, center will be the return.

I'm not sure that is the case. Most people in the local media are considered nice people and reflective of most people's perception of Vancouver. Basically, aside from Sekeres, there's not a lot of hate or controversy.

I think you just need to look at Twitter, other online spaces, or even this very forum to see fans vilifying the local media wherever possible.

 

[thadd]

Why is it just accepted that the Van media is some insane monster?

I really do not see it. It is rather tame and vanilla when compared to any other major sport in North America...

It is very rare that anyone asks a question that makes a player or coach or gm even some what uncomfortable.

I moved to North Van right before the Luongo trade.

After Lu's first home loss, tons of drunkards were calling in to after game radio to talk about what a huge mistake but was to acquire him. The duo hosting the show did nothing to refute their opinions or insinuate that Luongo was a top 2 goalie in the world.

At that moment, I truly understood that I would never support the Canucks.

I wouldn't have lasted through either of the Oilers' dark ages with media like that.

Don't mean to toot Edmonton's horn. Their media was delusional with positivity through some pretty rough years.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I moved to North Van right before the Luongo trade.

After Lu's first home loss, tons of drunkards were calling in to after game radio to talk about what a huge mistake but was to acquire him. The duo hosting the show did nothing to refute their opinions or insinuate that Luongo was a top 2 goalie in the world.

At that moment, I truly understood that I would never support the Canucks.

I wouldn't have lasted through either of the Oilers' dark ages with media like that.

I dont understand..

Don't mean to toot Edmonton's horn. Their media was delusional with positivity through some pretty rough years.

And that somehow helps you be a fan?

 

[thadd]

I dont understand..

And that somehow helps you be a fan?

No, having complicit media didn't help be a fan, but if our media and fans so easily supported spending time trash talking players who just got off the boat, I wouldn't be able to love the sport.

Only Vegas is deserving of such treatment at the moment imo.

 

[Shareefruck]

Why is it just accepted that the Van media is some insane monster?

I really do not see it. It is rather tame and vanilla when compared to any other major sport in North America...

It is very rare that anyone asks a question that makes a player or coach or gm even some what uncomfortable.

Hasn't it always been the other way around? The media isn't willing to ask hard questions often enough, and functions more like an extension the management group's PR team? Especially during the Benning era.

That's what I've heard more often, although I've been out of the loop lately.

 

[sting101]

Again… lank would not have had to make the save if miller played either play better… Myers would not have had to make a play if miller played it better… they were two primary mistakes…

Boeser goal from Hughes was started by Miller picking off a pass at the boards and then a net drive that had 2 defenders get stuck with him that left a wide open Boeser for a tap in.
Hughes goal was PDG knocking Chabot off the puck then Miller coming in to battle winning the puck sending it to Garland who relayed to Hughes who blasted his shot and it went in directly because Miller went to the net and screened the goalie
The SH goal was 2 90ft precision passes timed perfectly. Bad read sure as he tried the pick off and missed it
Sanderson is a world class speedster. He got a step and weak goaltending didnt help. Tried to catch Sanderson but he's just too fast. That's 3v3 sometimes
The Pinto around Myers goal had nothing to do with Miller

Fair to say we wouldn't have been in the game without Miller setting up 2 goals to begin with?

Others had their chance to help create goals and didn't.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I moved to North Van right before the Luongo trade.

After Lu's first home loss, tons of drunkards were calling in to after game radio to talk about what a huge mistake but was to acquire him. The duo hosting the show did nothing to refute their opinions or insinuate that Luongo was a top 2 goalie in the world.

At that moment, I truly understood that I would never support the Canucks.

I wouldn't have lasted through either of the Oilers' dark ages with media like that.

Don't mean to toot Edmonton's horn. Their media was delusional with positivity through some pretty rough years.

Cool story I guess?

 

[racerjoe]

Boeser goal from Hughes was started by Miller picking off a pass at the boards and then a net drive that had 2 defenders get stuck with him that left a wide open Boeser for a tap in.
Hughes goal was PDG knocking Chabot off the puck then Miller coming in to battle winning the puck sending it to Garland who relayed to Hughes who blasted his shot and it went in directly because Miller went to the net and screened the goalie
The SH goal was 2 90ft precision passes timed perfectly. Bad read sure as he tried the pick off and missed it
Sanderson is a world class speedster. He got a step and weak goaltending didnt help. Tried to catch Sanderson but he's just too fast. That's 3v3 sometimes
The Pinto around Myers goal had nothing to do with Miller

Fair to say we wouldn't have been in the game without Miller setting up 2 goals to begin with?

Others had their chance to help create goals and didn't.

Your bias is showing pretty good here.

Miller does make a solid play at the blue line to hold the zone, but it was also a terrible play by a guy trying to clear it. Miller than drives the net (I actually think that is a good play) but in doing so he pushes the defender and the only defender much closer to Boeser and probably makes that play harder. Really it’s Hughes who deserves the credit and the heavy lifting.

Second one, most credit should go to PDG here first in hard heavy forecheck turns the puck over to miller who bumps it to Garland who makes another play to Hughes.

A major sign too that he needed Hughes to do this…

I do really hate talking down about miller… or most of our players, but it just shows what this chat has become.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Why is it just accepted that the Van media is some insane monster?

A mix of shitty practices in the 90s and Burke weaponising angry sentiment against the media who were critical of his blunders in the early late 90s/early 00s, with an added dash of some members being f***ing idiots here and there (but this isn't really exclusive to any NHL city.)

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

I moved to North Van right before the Luongo trade.

After Lu's first home loss, tons of drunkards were calling in to after game radio to talk about what a huge mistake but was to acquire him. The duo hosting the show did nothing to refute their opinions or insinuate that Luongo was a top 2 goalie in the world.

At that moment, I truly understood that I would never support the Canucks.

I wouldn't have lasted through either of the Oilers' dark ages with media like that.

Don't mean to toot Edmonton's horn. Their media was delusional with positivity through some pretty rough years.

Yeah it's not like Edmonton fans lost their f***ing minds over Chris Pronger.

Or a long history of booing their team or Jason Arnott or Tom Poti (a 3rd rounder, btw) or Cory Cross.

Or had the media basically go 'its your fault' in a head-so-far-up-their-ass article that tries to walk it back with a cutesy line.

Or, you know, booing WAYNE GRETZKY. (Pocklington? Sure. I'd have even understood tarring and feathering him. But GRETZKY? lmaooooo)

Or Justin Schultz.

While the criticism of Luongo was utterly ridiculous at points, but maybe there is value in having media who don't just unquestioningly wave pom poms and tell you exactly what to think.

And I didn't even get into the temper tantrums over Dany Heatley vetoing a trade and getting a Bronx cheer or the many, many, many tossed jerseys or jeering of players.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

IF Pettersson was to be traded ....
The usual result is the team getting the player wins the trade.
Thorton - Bruins - San Jose, tough to say but SJ - this was never a trade offered throughout the league though.
Lindros - Quebec/Colorado - Flyers - maybe closer to a tie with Colorado winning longer term.
Gretzky - Oilers - Kings - winner Kings but Oilers did win another cup, Kings stuffed the arena.

Just mentioned a few of the biggest names traded but there are many more.

IMO IF Pettersson was dealt if might not be expecting too much less than maybe the Lindros type return.

Multiple firsts, top four Dman or top six forward, 2 AAA prospects.
Not limited to that combination but close to that value.

One issue might be what managements plan is going forward, would they want say a Dobson level dman? Would they want another Dahlin if made available or Powers? Zadorov has gone on to become a top pairing in Boston or top 3 anyway but management didn't want that player or thought 5 mil is too much. So does that limit the return?

Putting Petterson in the same sentence as Gretzky, Lindros, Thornrton ??? lol.

He is much closer to the Laine (CLB), Dubois, Tarasenko, Huberdeau moves where they failed.