Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[notsocommonsense]

I dont remember this.

I remember that she said that when (NJ Scouts?) asked around about Luke Hughes nobody of the coaches he had played for would go to bat for his character.



orbecausemillergetstoplaywithquinnhughesandhedoesnt...

So an 11.6 million dollar player won’t produce unless he plays w hughes?

Ok, super

 

[sting101]

This is wild

All Pettersson has to do is be so good that he's a fixture on PP1 and the coaches are forced to use him with Hughes because thats what makes us win.

but nah instead of fans just saying he will be because he isn't fully healthy right now it's everyone else's fault.

 

[strattonius]

Remember when we called him alien because he made otherwordly plays? Where the hell is that guy? Such a bizarre player development. He is getting worse and we get excited when he strings 10 good games together. This guy was electric and had the arena buzzing with a Benning defense passing and transitioning the puck up the ice so don't tell me we need ONE more good puck mover for an 11.6M player to perform.

 

[pitseleh]

Some data from SportlogIQ. Found this particularly interesting:

Pettersson’s defensive impact often gets overlooked. This season, he leads all forwards with 237 defensive plays, which include 164 blocked passes. In addition, his 104 puck-battle wins are 11th most at the position. Although Pettersson’s point production has slipped, he continues to be a positive influence on the Canucks’ results.

Pettersson remains positive influence on Canucks despite offensive struggles

There is no denying that Elias Pettersson has been less consistent offensively since signing his contract extension with the Vancouver Canucks. As Adam Vingan examines, Pettersson's defensive impact often gets overlooked.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Is Pettersson the new Loui Eriksson excuse....

He plays good defensively, so that justifies his contract.....

 

[sting101]

Some data from SportlogIQ. Found this particularly interesting:

Pettersson remains positive influence on Canucks despite offensive struggles

There is no denying that Elias Pettersson has been less consistent offensively since signing his contract extension with the Vancouver Canucks. As Adam Vingan examines, Pettersson's defensive impact often gets overlooked.

www.sportsnet.ca

If there is one positive takeaway from this year it's this. He's without a doubt one of the best defensive Cs in the league. A great second half and he could even win the Selke.

The only issues are the poor start still too much inconsistent play and some of his physical limitations in 1 v 1 and faceoffs. But he's right there if he can pull it together

Everyone just needs to take a breathe let the boys bond and hopefully continue to get healthy over the holidays.

I'm going to the Ottawa game tomorrow and will remain an optimist. It's going to be a break out...i almost feel sorry for the Senators

 

[racerjoe]

This is wild

All Pettersson has to do is be so good that he's a fixture on PP1 and the coaches are forced to use him with Hughes because thats what makes us win.

but nah instead of fans just saying he will be because he isn't fully healthy right now it's everyone else's fault.

I quoted you, but this isn't a reply to you specifically.

However this is the type of horrible reply that misses the point of the post. Its not that he isn't playing with Hughes. Its that Hughes is litterally the only defensemen able to get the puck to any of our forwards in an offensive way. Breakout, zone exit, zone entry... all of it.

Its why Hughes numbers look so good, and everyone plays better with him. If we had another dman who was moving the puck at all it would matter less. But we don't and its ever frustrating to watch.

I do think Pettersson should be giving you more offensively, but there was just sooo many reply's like this that took the wrong message from the idea.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Seth Jones for Elias Pettersson...zero retention on either side. Both need change of scenery and both are overpaid. Who says no who needs to offer more? Chicago adds over 2mil more with term

Get the f*** out of here lmao.

 

[Quinntessential]

Seth Jones for Elias Pettersson...zero retention on either side. Both need change of scenery and both are overpaid. Who says no who needs to offer more? Chicago adds over 2mil more with term

How about Pettersson for Jones and Bedard?

 

[pitseleh]

I quoted you, but this isn't a reply to you specifically.

However this is the type of horrible reply that misses the point of the post. Its not that he isn't playing with Hughes. Its that Hughes is litterally the only defensemen able to get the puck to any of our forwards in an offensive way. Breakout, zone exit, zone entry... all of it.

Its why Hughes numbers look so good, and everyone plays better with him. If we had another dman who was moving the puck at all it would matter less. But we don't and its ever frustrating to watch.

I do think Pettersson should be giving you more offensively, but there was just sooo many reply's like this that took the wrong message from the idea.

Totally. Pettersson is the only regular forward above 50% in score adjusted xGF% when Hughes is off the ice, at 52%. Boeser, Miller and DeBrusk are in the 38-42% range. The entire team is at 42% when both Pettersson and Hughes are on the bench. Maybe Pettersson could be better but don’t think anyone is running 60% xGF ratios when not playing with Hughes on this team.

 

[Shareefruck]

I quoted you, but this isn't a reply to you specifically.

However this is the type of horrible reply that misses the point of the post. Its not that he isn't playing with Hughes. Its that Hughes is litterally the only defensemen able to get the puck to any of our forwards in an offensive way. Breakout, zone exit, zone entry... all of it.

Its why Hughes numbers look so good, and everyone plays better with him. If we had another dman who was moving the puck at all it would matter less. But we don't and its ever frustrating to watch.

I do think Pettersson should be giving you more offensively, but there was just sooo many reply's like this that took the wrong message from the idea.

Bingo. Also agree that it's crazy how much his defensive presence goes underappreciated here.

 

[Ernie]

Totally. Pettersson is the only regular forward above 50% in score adjusted xGF% when Hughes is off the ice, at 52%. Boeser, Miller and DeBrusk are in the 38-42% range. The entire team is at 42% when both Pettersson and Hughes are on the bench. Maybe Pettersson could be better but don’t think anyone is running 60% xGF ratios when not playing with Hughes on this team.

In that sense the deployment of Pettersson away from Hughes has some logic, but if Tocchet is going to do that he needs to have Pettersson's back.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Remember when we called him alien because he made otherwordly plays? Where the hell is that guy? Such a bizarre player development. He is getting worse and we get excited when he strings 10 good games together. This guy was electric and had the arena buzzing with a Benning defense passing and transitioning the puck up the ice so don't tell me we need ONE more good puck mover for an 11.6M player to perform.

Hasn't been the same player offensively since the Matheson headshot/Kotkaniemi injury incident.

 

[supercanuck]

Some data from SportlogIQ. Found this particularly interesting:

Pettersson remains positive influence on Canucks despite offensive struggles

There is no denying that Elias Pettersson has been less consistent offensively since signing his contract extension with the Vancouver Canucks. As Adam Vingan examines, Pettersson's defensive impact often gets overlooked.

www.sportsnet.ca

11th most puck battle wins is counter to all the weak narrative when it comes to EP.

I'm biased towards 2 way forwards and I know EP is not quite Bergeron (or even Stone) yet, but I would consider a PPG Selke level centreman extremely valuable (i.e. think Barkov, Eichel while playing with much lesser linemates)

 

[Canucker]

11th most puck battle wins is counter to all the weak narrative when it comes to EP.

I'm biased towards 2 way forwards and I know EP is not quite Bergeron (or even Stone) yet, but I would consider a PPG Selke level centreman extremely valuable (i.e. think Barkov, Eichel while playing with much lesser linemates)

I'm not sure "strength" is always the key measure for winning puck battles though....no doubt it helps, but I wouldn't classify EP as a very strong player, he's wiry but he's no Barkov.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

hahaha this is hilarious. Hughes is toxic...or his family is, JT is a conspiracy theorist because he wears a hat that demonstrates support for law and order and may or may not have been an anti masker during covid. priceless.

sounds al lot like speculation to me.....

I literally told you, I’m quoting an untrustworthy but “inside” source and was surprised nobody else had brought it up. I’m not vouching for the truth behind it.

 

[VanJack]

Might be a total co-incidence. But Pettersson had his best stretch of the season when Miller was on his leave of absence.

But of course that meant that Pettersson was forced into being 'the franchise guy' in terms of driving offense. The fact is that when Miller went out, Pettersson stepped up in a big time way.

Now he's almost back to what he was at the start of the season. With Pettersson it seems to be 'a confidence thing'. Either he has it, or he doesn't, and it seems to wax and wane.

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

You really want to put your reputation behind Rachel Doerrie and bring this into the discussion?

Holy f***. No, I’m not vouching for the truth behind it at all. I’m just surprised with all of the speculation that it hasn’t been mentioned.

 

[supercanuck]

I'm not sure "strength" is always the key measure for winning puck battles though....no doubt it helps, but I wouldn't classify EP as a very strong player, he's wiry but he's no Barkov.

The point I was trying to make is that you don't win the 11th most puck battles in the NHL by being weak.

 

[pitseleh]

I'm not sure "strength" is always the key measure for winning puck battles though....no doubt it helps, but I wouldn't classify EP as a very strong player, he's wiry but he's no Barkov.

Agreed. Don’t think there’s any question he’s not strong. Though it does undermine the theory he’s not trying. He’s near the top of the league in every defensive category tracked tracked there.

 

[Shareefruck]

The point I was trying to make is that you don't win the 11th most puck battles in the NHL by being weak.

I think it's possible that you might, personally. Pettersson generally wins puck battles by being insanely smart, not by being strong.

 

[pitseleh]

I think it's possible that you might be able to, actually. Pettersson generally wins puck battles by being insanely smart, not by being strong.

Kyle Wellwood was surprisingly efficient at doing so at times even though he was definitely the weakest player in the league at the time.

 

[Jerry the great]

I literally told you, I’m quoting an untrustworthy but “inside” source and was surprised nobody else had brought it up. I’m not vouching for the truth behind it.

And something about Petey not liking Miller because he was an antimasker or something covid related like that. I'm not buying something wholesale from Doerrie, but we have seen a picture of J.T. Miller wearing a 'thin blue line' hat which, at the time, was sort of going hand in hand with wingnuts who denied various aspects of Covid.

 

[ohnoeszz]

Might be a total co-incidence. But Pettersson had his best stretch of the season when Miller was on his leave of absence.

But of course that meant that Pettersson was forced into being 'the franchise guy' in terms of driving offense. The fact is that when Miller went out, Pettersson stepped up in a big time way.

Now he's almost back to what he was at the start of the season. With Pettersson it seems to be 'a confidence thing'. Either he has it, or he doesn't, and it seems to wax and wane.

When Miller went out Petterson played with Boeser on his line and was deployed with Hughes a ton. It is a lot easier to produce in that situation.

 

[ohnoeszz]

This fanbase is biting hard on the narrative that Pettersson and Miller hate each other to the point the entire top 6 has stopped functioning.

That may prove to be the case but we are running with rampant speculation here.

There are other issues the team is working through that are being drowned out by speculative drama.