Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores

[sandwichbird2023]

Glad that Petey is having fun again, he was so excited about the win he practically jumped JDB on the OT goal celly. Its a long way from the frustration he showed late last season and the playoff. Hopefully this is the reverse of the negative loop he was in, and that now he is playing better he is happy -> and he is happy as he plays better.

 

[supercanuck]

I wonder if the team could benefit from an extra "rah rah" "fatherly" kind of assistant coach. I recall how Boudreau was credited with EP's first turnaround by just being more encouraging and upbeat.

Could be recency bias, but it seems that when our players struggle they really struggle. "Just dig yourself out" may not be working on modern day players.

 

[tanti9]

After last nights game in Detroit, he has 21 points in 23 games. He is almost a point per game player but we all know there is more for him to give. At least he is on the right path and I believe he will continue to improve and dominate games. If Petey keeps progressing, Miller comes back recharged and Demko has no setback when he begins to play, hopefully we the Canucks can hit their ceiling.

 

[lawrence]

Hes back, but I still expecting like a 90 point pace for a guy who is making 11 mill. But glad hes back. seems like Debrusk his new wingman is picking things up.

 

[beachcomber]

I won't change my mind about this guy unless he remains consistently great till the end of the season which includes him showing up for the playoffs. For what he's being paid that is a realistic expectation.

 

[lawrence]

I won't change my mind about this guy unless he remains consistently great till the end of the season which includes him showing up for the playoffs. For what he's being paid that is a realistic expectation.

I believe this is a reasonable expectation. Absolutely.

 

[Regal]

Hes nowhere near "back". Our expectations have become so low due to his poor play in the past year.

Pettersson in his prime has swagger and confidence that no one can touch him on the ice.


These are prime Pettersson.







Right now hes deferring too much and coughing up the puck randomly.

A lot of this same sentiment has been said since his rookie year, including during his hot start last year. I think it’s actually the other way to some degree. We remember the highlights during the slump and forget that he’s actually pretty methodical most of the time. He’s definitely still not skating and shooting at 100%, but so much of his game since his sophomore year has been about constantly putting the puck in better positions rather than imposing his will on the game, and then the occasionally highlight play to finish things off

 

[supercanuck]

Hes nowhere near "back". Our expectations have become so low due to his poor play in the past year.

Pettersson in his prime has swagger and confidence that no one can touch him on the ice.


These are prime Pettersson.







Right now hes deferring too much and coughing up the puck randomly.

The last 2 goals is him being in the right position and his teammate actually finding him for the goal. Playing more with QH should help in that regards.

I don't think EP has the speed right now to pull off the first goal. Hopefully, it will come.

 

[Raistlin]

one of the nuances of his recent spike is increased playtime with QH, Miller's line was dominating TOI with the top pair, while EP was saddled with a rotating cast of wingers earlier in the year (and last year). If he manages to forge a good chemistry with the notoriously streaky DeBrusk, he can still break 100 this year. Anything over 90 this year would be enough for me to say he met expectations though. 11+ million in a rising cap world is not 11 million 3 years ago.

 

[Bobby9]

Hes back, but I still expecting like a 90 point pace for a guy who is making 11 mill. But glad hes back. seems like Debrusk his new wingman is picking things up.

90 points would be a nightmare. Need 110+ minimum for his entire contract

 

[Vector]

90 points would be a nightmare. Need 110+ minimum for his entire contract

Ah yes, set silly unrealistic expectations so you can always be angry.

 

[Bobby9]

Ah yes, set silly unrealistic expectations so you can always be angry.

Why is that unrealistic?

If he is a 85-90 point player he will be over paid be 2-3M dollars.

Have you ever run a business? Are you in the business of overpaying your staff or do you believe underperforming staff are acceptable? Should we lower our expectations of him because he plays on the Canucks?

 

[thecupismine]

Why is that unrealistic?

If he is a 85-90 point player he will be over paid be 2-3M dollars.

Have you ever run a business? Are you in the business of overpaying your staff or do you believe underperforming staff are acceptable? Should we lower our expectations of him because he plays on the Canucks?

Because no one outside of McDavid has performed at that level over a 3+ year span

I get that you're baiting people, but you make youself look like a fool with zero credibility when your barometer for success is the best scoring forward since Mario Lemieux.

 

[Vector]

Why is that unrealistic?

If he is a 85-90 point player he will be over paid be 2-3M dollars.

Have you ever run a business? Are you in the business of overpaying your staff or do you believe underperforming staff are acceptable? Should we lower our expectations of him because he plays on the Canucks?

No player has scored at the rate you are demanding.

 

[Bobby9]

No player has scored at the rate you are demanding.

Okay so what else does he do that justifies the salary?

He certainly hasn’t been a game breaking talent for almost 8 months. What is the total package that justifies 11.6m dollars?

 

[Bobby9]

Because no one outside of McDavid has performed at that level over a 3+ year span

I get that you're baiting people, but you make youself look like a fool with zero credibility when your barometer for success is the best scoring forward since Mario Lemieux.

It’s not baiting. It’s looking for an explanation as to why people think this player deserves and earns his salary.

Let’s take him as a PPG player. That’s his points only. What else does he do? Turn it up in the playoffs? Is he consistent? I don’t think he is either of those things.

So what is this package everybody thinks he is? He’s a very streaky player who goes cold for long long long periods of times.

That certainly is not a top 5 paid player.

 

[ephmrl]

Okay so what else does he do that justifies the salary?

He certainly hasn’t been a game breaking talent for almost 8 months. What is the total package that justifies 11.6m dollars?

A realistic expectation would be similar production to what Nylander brings since they have nearly identical contracts (although Pettersson is much better defensively).

 

[Bobby9]

Maybe I should ask this another way. Describe EP40 as a player.

Very skilled player who suffers from multiple month cold streaks. He isn’t very physically imposing. He isn’t known to carry the team when required. When the game is on the line he isn’t the player we rely on.

He’s an over paid complimentary player. At 8M a year he’s right where he should be.

 

[racerjoe]

Because no one outside of McDavid has performed at that level over a 3+ year span

I get that you're baiting people, but you make youself look like a fool with zero credibility when your barometer for success is the best scoring forward since Mario Lemieux.

He already has done that… It's clear what he is.

If Petey can get to 90 points this year after his start that’s a really good year, and bodes well.

Also there is way more narrative for him being a good playoff performer than bad… that’s just a bad take.

 

[crowfish]

Never seen someone take as many Ls as Bobby9. The guy just hands out horrible takes for free. Then after watching his takes age horribly he comes back for more and doubles down. Fascinating to observe.

 

[crowfish]

90 points would be a nightmare. Need 110+ minimum for his entire contract

110+ points for 8 consecutive seasons is the "minimum requirement"

Let me check my notes here, ah yes, the only player in NHL history to do that is Wayne Gretzky.

 

[racerjoe]

110+ points for 8 consecutive seasons is the "minimum requirement"

Let me check my notes here, ah yes, the only player in NHL history to do that is Wayne Gretzky.

Yeah and Gretzky’s highest paid season was 6.5 mil… sos surely we should expect twice as good results right?

 

[arttk]

A realistic expectation would be similar production to what Nylander brings since they have nearly identical contracts (although Pettersson is much better defensively).

With cap rise, PPG players will probably be 9.5N, 90pt guys will be like 10-11M+ depending on position and 100pt guys are like 12-14M and then there’s Mcdavid at like whatever number he wants but probably 15 minimum.

 

[Bobby9]

Never seen someone take as many Ls as Bobby9. The guy just hands out horrible takes for free. Then after watching his takes age horribly he comes back for more and doubles down. Fascinating to observe.

What exactly has aged horribly? His contract? Without a doubt.

Expectations everybody had about how he would turn in on during the playoffs? Certain they did age terribly.

 

[lawrence]

right now there are 12 players on pace for over 100 points, with Petey not being one of them. I think its also reasonable if we expect him to be an 100 point player at least a few times within the next 8 seasons.