Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - A Forward Who Scores

[Bobby9]

Tonight is the game to bring it. Oilers ended their season. Tonight is a huge game for him.

 

[sting101]

I wonder if he’s being coached out of his natural skill set. Be a more complete 2 way player rather than a purely offensive weapon.

Tocchet does seem to hate players who can’t play on both sides of the puck and it’s wouldn’t completely surprise me if EP is butt hurt because it’s costing him production.

oh great now you're creating excuses?

still haven't heard a good reason for saying we should draft more size vs skill

Pettersson has always been a good defensive player i'm pretty certain all they want is better effort and determination

He's taken steps and looks poised to break out......but the big questions are

Why does this keep happening?
Why does he not look more dynamic and strong after an off season?
Can he be relied upon to earn that contract?

 

[Bobby9]

oh great now you're creating excuses?

still haven't heard a good reason for saying we should draft more size vs skill

Pettersson has always been a good defensive player i'm pretty certain all they want is better effort and determination

He's taken steps and looks poised to break out......but the big questions are

Why does this keep happening?
Why does he not look more dynamic and strong after an off season?
Can he be relied upon to earn that contract?

It’s not an excuse. I still think he is weak and his face down ass up yoga pose he does on the ice 3 times a game aligns with that.

It’s the only reason I could come up with.

 

[Leif Rohlin]

Id like to see EP get traded to Mtl, i think he is exactly what the Habs need, and plays MSL style. What do you give up for him though? Needs to be something Vancounver requires now and has to match salary..
I figure: Caufield (scoring winger) + Gallagher (western boy, gritty tochett style player 3rd line winger) + Arber Xhekaj (D5/6) + CGY 1st '25 (~12oa).

That would go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

 

[themilosh]

That would go down as one of the worst trades in franchise history.

lol... that's what the Habs board says about the trade!! booth cant be true?

 

[kanucks25]

lol... that's what the Habs board says about the trade!! booth cant be true?

Can't blame Habs fans for not wanting to give up premium assets for Pettersson with the way he's been playing.

But from the Canucks side, there is little reason to sell low.

If Pettersson was on top of his game, this trade is essentially a 100 point all-around center for a 40 goal winger which is terrible value for the team giving up the center. The 1st and Xhekaj's value is offset by Gallagher's negative value, and that's being very generous to Gallagher.

 

[themilosh]

Can't blame Habs fans for not wanting to give up premium assets for Pettersson with the way he's been playing.

But from the Canucks side, there is little reason to sell low.

If Pettersson was on top of his game, this trade is essentially a 100 point all-around center for a 40 goal winger which is terrible value for the team giving up the center. The 1st and Xhekaj's value is offset by Gallagher's negative value, and that's being very generous to Gallagher.

Well, the "if" is the only reason a trade is possible.. no? In current play, EP is a complete failure - and overpaid by about $5m/yr.. there has to be realistic trade based on current performance, not past performance. What i proposed is a heavily weighted trade in Van favour.. if you (or other Van fans) think this is the worst trade in history of Canucks, then clearly you guys (after almost 3 years) still believe he is a 1C.. but the stats tell a completely different story..

I happen to believe, under a new coach he "might" be able to get back to what he showed earlier in his career. That's the gamble...

So... the only narrative rn is EP will return to to 1C status.. if so, under Tocchet (which i dont believe is possible) his numbers will continue to dwindle, possible he might be traded for alot less after another year of brutal play..

Not sure about you guys, but once a player checks out, chances they regain prior form under same club is close to 0%.

Ps. The worst trade in canucks history was Pedersen for Neely

Imo CC (40+GOAL winger) and Gallagher (overpaid vet yes, but heart and soul player, and does generate points) along with Xhekaj, a bottom pairing Dman who will protect the team, and add offense, is a wayyy better than current version of EP.. throwing in CGY 1st makes it worthy..

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Well, the "if" is the only reason a trade is possible.. no? In current play, EP is a complete failure - and overpaid by about $5m/yr.. there has to be realistic trade based on current performance, not past performance. What i proposed is a heavily weighted trade in Van favour.. if you (or other Van fans) think this is the worst trade in history of Canucks, then clearly you guys (after almost 3 years) still believe he is a 1C.. but the stats tell a completely different story..

I happen to believe, under a new coach he "might" be able to get back to what he showed earlier in his career. That's the gamble...

So... the only narrative rn is EP will return to to 1C status.. if so, under Tocchet (which i dont believe is possible) his numbers will continue to dwindle, possible he might be traded for alot less after another year of brutal play..

Not sure about you guys, but once a player checks out, chances they regain prior form under same club is close to 0%.

Ps. The worst trade in canucks history was Pedersen for Neely

Um actually bub the worst trade in Nucks history was Sprong for Future Considerations

 

[themilosh]

Um actually bub the worst trade in Nucks history was Sprong for Future Considerations

Disagree.. by far it was Pedersen for Neely.

Yes im a habs supporter, but I also love the Nucks too.. i'd look to sell now - we(you) have a great team.. adding 3 roster spots and a 1st rnd to rid yourselves of EP makes sense.. its possible EP refains his old form, as a Habs fan i would love this - but who knows what is going on in his mind.

As of now, he is barely a top 6 player..

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Disagree.. by far it was Pedersen for Neely.

Ok

 

[themilosh]

Ok

Youre too young to remember.

"Sprong" lol.. cmon my man.

 

[rypper]

That's a terrible trade.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Petey and Hronek were pretty much the only bright spots tonight rofl.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Would I get crucified if I say that he’s been better than JT since Game 3?

 

[kanucks25]

Would I get crucified if I say that he’s been better than JT since Game 3?

JT has fallen off of late but was still picking up points.

You can overlook a bad stretch if production is still there. Unfortunately for most of Petey's slump the production wasn't there along with some awful play.

That said, Miller is a beast but if this team wants to win a Cup, we need Petey to be better than him. Petey is paid like it and more importantly capable of it.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Would I get crucified if I say that he’s been better than JT since Game 3?

I'm the biggest EP fanboy on this site and I'm ecstatic about his game last night but idk about that. Both of em have had their stretches of playing like total f***in bozos since that game. JT should probably be sitting rn tho and has three more points in that span so I'll give him the edge.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

So what in the world is eating our young Peter anyway?

There's something that just isn't right with that young man since he signed the mega contract.

Could he be allergic to money?

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Peter is very well compensated indeed to play hockey.

Cap Hit​

FULL RANKS

1. Auston Matthews
   TOR, C
   $13,250,000
2. Nathan MacKinnon
   COL, C
   $12,600,000
3. Connor McDavid
   EDM, C
   $12,500,000
4. Artemi Panarin
   NYR, LW
   $11,642,857
5. Elias Pettersson
   VAN, C
   $11,600,000

Total Cash​

FULL RANKS

1. Auston Matthews
   TOR, C
   $16,700,000
2. Nathan MacKinnon
   COL, C
   $16,500,000
3. Elias Pettersson
   VAN, C
   $14,500,000
4. William Nylander
   TOR, C
   $13,500,000

 

[Wisp]

3 points in 4 since the beginning of November. He's coming.

 

[themilosh]

Um actually bub the worst trade in Nucks history was Sprong for Future Considerations

My Tony Tanti shirt begs to differ..

 

[F A N]

Disagree.. by far it was Pedersen for Neely.

I thought it was an “unprotected” 1st for Miller because of “timing”?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

JT has fallen off of late but was still picking up points.

You can overlook a bad stretch if production is still there. Unfortunately for most of Petey's slump the production wasn't there along with some awful play.

This is why people make the linemate argument.

Star players have stretches of bad play but playing all your minutes with MacKinnon, Rantanen or Cale Makar kind of ensures you are still getting points.

That said, Miller is a beast but if this team wants to win a Cup, we need Petey to be better than him. Petey is paid like it and more importantly capable of it.

 

[LordBacon]

3 points in 4 since the beginning of November. He's coming.

So am I

 

[Kryten]

Hes back. Played pretty well vs the Oilers. Won some battles vs McDavid and got walked by him on a few others. No issues with his play though

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

He was surprisingly good vs Edmonton when everyone else flat out sucked.