Player Discussion Elias Lindholm

[Bong Whisperer]

The reason why I'm concerned with Lindholms age isn't about his beginning, it's about his middle to end. He's 29 for 2 months of the 24-25 season. So, for the technically minded, sure he's 29. He'll be 30 for 2 months starting his second year at 36 for only 2 months of his final year.

I don't have a crystal ball, but from the decades I've watched hockey, players regress in body and mind. It's a lot of cap space for maybe 2-3 years of peak performance. Outliers excluded. Let's hope the other pieces come together and there's enough balance to bring the Bruins a string of cups.

 

[Greek_physique]

The reason why I'm concerned with Lindholms age isn't about his beginning, it's about his middle to end. He's 29 for 2 months of the 24-25 season. So, for the technically minded, sure he's 29. He'll be 30 for 2 months starting his second year at 36 for only 2 months of his final year.

I don't have a crystal ball, but from the decades I've been watched hockey, players not only regress in body but in mind too. It's a lot of cap space for maybe 2-3 years of peak performance. Outliers excluded. Let's hope the other pieces come together and there's enough balance to bring the Bruins a string of cups.

He's been extremely healthy his entire career, played closed to 20mins on average a night - all situations.

With time everyone will start to get slower...but I don't think this will be that huge of a problem. In 2 or 3 years, Coyle could be gone and Poitras could become our #1. While he'll be making a lot, he should still be a very serviceable 2nd line center.

We wouldn't of gotten him on a 3-4 year deal. I'm happy to finally have another legit 1C.

 

[PB37]

The reason why I'm concerned with Lindholms age isn't about his beginning, it's about his middle to end. He's 29 for 2 months of the 24-25 season. So, for the technically minded, sure he's 29. He'll be 30 for 2 months starting his second year at 36 for only 2 months of his final year.

I don't have a crystal ball, but from the decades I've been watched hockey, players not only regress in body but in mind too. It's a lot of cap space for maybe 2-3 years of peak performance. Outliers excluded. Let's hope the other pieces come together and there's enough balance to bring the Bruins a string of cups.

This is the closest we can ever come to getting a time machine and getting a 29 year old Bergeron on the team. Selke caliber center who can win faceoffs and do everything for your team who's been healthy his entire career - I wouldn't worry about this, especially when future cap ceilings will most likely be on the rise.

 

[Eye of Ra]

hahahaahahahahahahahah

 

[ODAAT]

sure gonna be nice having a RH shot in the bumper on the PP again, I know Poitras is a righty but I`m wondering if his passing skills more valuable on the PP, not sure I saw enough of him as far as playing a bumper role

 

[Yeti34]

This is the closest we can ever come to getting a time machine and getting a 29 year old Bergeron on the team. Selke caliber center who can win faceoffs and do everything for your team who's been healthy his entire career - I wouldn't worry about this, especially when future cap ceilings will most likely be on the rise.

That’s huge shoes to fill. I think expectations for him may be a little out of line.

 

[Dellstrom]

He's been extremely healthy his entire career, played closed to 20mins on average a night - all situations.

With time everyone will start to get slower...but I don't think this will be that huge of a problem. In 2 or 3 years, Coyle could be gone and Poitras could become our #1. While he'll be making a lot, he should still be a very serviceable 2nd line center.

We wouldn't of gotten him on a 3-4 year deal. I'm happy to finally have another legit 1C.

Yup - have to give somewhere. Top C's are rarely on the market and they're tough to develop. I'm not worried about the first 3-4 years, his two-way "smarts" style typically ages well and even if/when the speed and offense dips, they're still impactful.

Need to put together a few runs while McAvoy/Pasta are in their primes, we have core players locked up, and Marchand is still around. If the last 2-3 years are a bit painful, not the end of the world as it's a possibility we'll be re-tooling/rebuilding. Who knows how much the cap will increase by then, too.

 

[DKH]

Ideally he gets 25/60 pts

Plays very sound Bergy game

And Poitras is a year older and stronger and added even 1/2 step quickness

EL
Poitras
CC

That’s a nice group

 

[LSCII]

In reality it’s not the dollar but the term fhat will be the issue. That’s the cost of blowing high draft picks and using them to offload bad contracts. It’s now the price of dojng business. Still better than rolling into the season with Zacha as your 1C though.

 

[Concessionaire]

It basically came down to the fact that the team couldn't afford to waste a year (or two) of Pasta by pairing him with lesser talent at center, in the hopes that the ideal center may become available in the future.

For this lineup the time is now, and Lindholm was the best option available.

As for cost and term, I kinda don't care. Pasta needs a center, and he needs a center NOW.

 

[PlayMakers]

What age was your cutoff for “no team has won a Cup with their top 2 Cs over ___ years old”?

32.

Detroit won it ‘02 when Fedorov was 31 and Yzerman was 36. They also won in ‘98 when Larionov was 36 and Yzerman was 32. That’s the oldest top two to win in 50+ years.

So they need Poitras to unseat Coyle at some point in the next 2-3 years, which I think is a reasonable expectation.

Ideally he gets 25/60 pts

Plays very sound Bergy game

And Poitras is a year older and stronger and added even 1/2 step quickness

EL
Poitras
CC

That’s a nice group

I think he gets 70 playing with 18 & 88.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

32.

Detroit won it ‘02 when Fedorov was 31 and Yzerman was 36. They also won in ‘98 when Larionov was 36 and Yzerman was 32. That’s the oldest top two to win in 50+ years.

So they need Poitras to unseat Coyle at some point in the next 2-3 years, which I think is a reasonable expectation.

Yup. Sounds reasonable. I was wondering how long we had by your research.

Hell by that time, we may have a Dean Letourneau

I’m a big believer in Poitras though… and while it goes against the grain, I see Coyle as a perfectly viable 2C. I feel set at center for a while.

Provided of course, that Elias Lindholm holds his end of the bargain.

 

[PlayMakers]

Yup. Sounds reasonable. I was wondering how long we had by your research.

Hell by that time, we may have a Dean Letourneau

I’m a big believer in Poitras though… and while it goes against the grain, I see Coyle as a perfectly viable 2C. I feel set at center for a while.

Provided of course, that Elias Lindholm holds his end of the bargain.

Agree 100%. I am happy with Coyle at 2c for the time being and think that line is one dynamic RW away from being a great 2nd line.

I'm a big believer in Poitras too. He looks great at development camp and it's going to be fun watching him develop into a core player.

 

[Patdud]

ok im fine with the term and AAV but oof.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808287833406558570

 

[DiggityDog]

ok im fine with the term and AAV but oof.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808287833406558570

I know it can be annoying, but I promise you most big ticket free agents get no trade/move provisions.

Its not just a Bruins thing, its a league wide thing.

 

[PlayMakers]

ok im fine with the term and AAV but oof.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808287833406558570

So for those wondering, if they bought him out after year 5, they would save $5m per year over each of the last two years, and then have a cap hit of $2.5 per year for the next two years.

So it’s not one of those buyout proof contracts where you don’t save any money. They can get out of the contract if things go horribly wrong. That should give the folks who are annxious over the term some peace of mind.

 

[DominicT]

I know it can be annoying, but I promise you most big ticket free agents get no trade/move provisions.

Its not just a Bruins thing, its a league wide thing.

Big ticket free agents?

Danton Heinen got a NTC.

 

[DiggityDog]

Big ticket free agents?

Danton Heinen got a NTC.

Danton Heinen is big ticket in my heart.

 

[Patdud]

DeBrusk got a NMC for f***s sake

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Basically if you are over 27 and signing a multi year deal, and above the minimum you are going to get some sort of trade protection

 

[The don godfather]

Rather have lindholm at 29 then stammer at 34. This was a no brainer.

 

[Eddie Munson]

In reality it’s not the dollar but the term fhat will be the issue. That’s the cost of blowing high draft picks and using them to offload bad contracts. It’s now the price of dojng business. Still better than rolling into the season with Zacha as your 1C though.

100%

Can't stand the talking heads that say this is an overpay. "He only had 44 pts last year. They could have got him on a "show me" contract." Hogwash. Someone was going to pay the man. He average almost 70pts a season between Calgary and Vancouver and would have had he not had a down year in 23-24 with injuries. Guy was a beast in the playoffs is tried to will the Canucks through to the next round.

When you look at the comps for both players in cap hit and cap %. They fall right in where you'd expect players of that caliber to land. Does the extra year for both of them hurt? Maybe, but as LSCIII said, when you go to market to get guys versus growing them in system, it's the price you pay.

In the end, this lineup is far better than last years.

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[Fopppa]

I really believe he can crack 30G if he's put in the bumper on the PP and rides with Pasta for 82 games. His supposed regression in offense was a direct result of bad wingers (CGY) and poor fit/chemistry (VAN). Won't have either of those problems in Boston.

 

[Kalus]

Ideally he gets 25/60 pts

Plays very sound Bergy game

And Poitras is a year older and stronger and added even 1/2 step quickness

EL
Poitras
CC

That’s a nice group

For a guy who averaged 21 goals / 55 points on over 800 NHL games to put in a 25/60 year at age 30 would really be something. Let’s hope.

 

[EverettMike]

So for those wondering, if they bought him out after year 5, they would save $5m per year over each of the last two years, and then have a cap hit of $2.5 per year for the next two years.

So it’s not one of those buyout proof contracts where you don’t save any money. They can get out of the contract if things go horribly wrong. That should give the folks who are annxious over the term some peace of mind.

Except if they're buying him out that means he isn't playing well at all and the contract is already a disaster.

It's good they have that kind of "out" so they're not crippled, for sure, but if it comes to that they have far bigger problems anyway.