ehlers injury...when will he be back?

[BrokerD]

Man, what a HUGE blow. Hopefully Nik can come back strong and fast. Really sad day..

 

[KingBogo]

wait, did I miss the post that stated his injury goes back to last season?

I think there was just some speculation. Sports hernia's tend to be an cumulative injury due to repetition, rather than an acute single event injury.

Although it is occasionally the result of an acute injury, it is more likely the result of repetitive eccentric overload to the abdominal wall stabilizers of the pelvis. It has been postulated that inadequate blood supply or simply failure to heal these repetitive attritional type injuries results in the condition.

 

[gojetsgo]

I think there was just some speculation. Sports hernia's tend to be an cumulative injury due to repetition, rather than an acute single event injury.

Although it is occasionally the result of an acute injury, it is more likely the result of repetitive eccentric overload to the abdominal wall stabilizers of the pelvis. It has been postulated that inadequate blood supply or simply failure to heal these repetitive attritional type injuries results in the condition.

I highly doubt it goes back to last season where surgery could have been an option, it would have effected his off season training and he wouldn't have played preseason or the opening two games

 

[KingBogo]

I highly doubt it goes back to last season where surgery could have been an option, it would have effected his off season training and he wouldn't have played preseason or the opening two games

This is likely unknowable. With a cumulative injury due to repetition the underlying conditions could have been gradually building over years.

 

[Potrzebie]

Trade Copp, trade Stastny, get Ehlers his surgery, get the highest possible pick in last year's draft and add the return on Stastny. Hindsight.

Still stuck on that Stastny thing eh? might be time to move on

Also unless i missed something there's no evidence the injury goes back to last year is there?

 

[DRW204]

Not only is hf filled with wannabe gm's, accountants, coaches, agents/lawyers.... But can add doctors to the list. Is anyone reputable outside of hf posters bringing up career ender seriously?

From a legit doctor and someone who works/worked in sports injuries

 

[hockeyarena]

DEFINITION
A sports hernia is a painful musculotendinous injury to the medial inguinal floor caused by and exacerbated by vigorous sport or physical exertion. Although it is occasionally the result of an acute injury, it is more likely the result of repetitive eccentric overload to the abdominal wall stabilizers of the pelvis.

Basically he went too fast for his own body. Fitting for fly

 

[voyageur]

One man's injury is another's man opportunity. Team will miss him. But getting Ehlers right is important for the ultimate success of the team. Hopefully he's back at it in January.

 

[KingBogo]

Basically he went too fast for his own body. Fitting for fly

That's kind of has been this nagging feeling I've had today. Maybe his elite skating ability, puts a lot of strain on his core muscles.

 

[Eyeseeing]

That's kind of has been this nagging feeling I've had today. Maybe his elite skating ability, puts a lot of strain on his core muscles.

His edge work and change of direction is a sight to be behold.
I’d say he’s top 10 in the league for pure entertainment and amazement for his skating ability.
I’m guessing he’ll be retroactively placed on LTIR freeing up some money for Sonny Milano or Nick Shore now
I imagine the club has something planned.

 

[GNP]

This is not good news for the Jets, as Nik will be missed greatly. At least thru the years of athletes going thru this type of surgery, modern medical practises have improved greatly, and Nik will get the best surgeon possible, and I think his chances are good for a full and fast recovery. Crosby and others have had this injury, and returned to the game, and are still great players. I think we'll see Nik recover from this, and return to the ice in the future, and very likely still be the same impactful player, he's always been. Medical procedures have come a long way in the last 20 years, so I'm hoping for the best.

 

[KingBogo]

His edge work and change of direction is a sight to be behold.
I’d say he’s top 10 in the league for pure entertainment and amazement for his skating ability.
I’m guessing he’ll be retroactively placed on LTIR freeing up some money for Sonny Milano or Nick Shore now
I imagine the club has something planned.

For sure he will be put on LTIR, and agreed watching him skate is a thing of beauty. One of my prized possessions is a game worn, signed Ehlers jersey hanging in my home office.

 

[GNP]

This is what Copp had this past summer. Giroux, Ladd, Patrick too come to mind.

Crosby also had it Nov 14 2019 didn't start skating till Jan 3 2020, and returned to gameplay Jan 14th.

That's not too bad, if Crosby was skating in about 45 - 60 days after his surgery. I hope Nik recovers that quickly, and I think he will.

 

[KingBogo]

That's not too bad, if Crosby was skating in about 45 - 60 days after his surgery. I hope Nik recovers that quickly, and I think he will.

On the flip side someone earlier posted an article talking about Giroux needing 9 months to fully recover, and Patrick saying he probably needed a second surgery to fully recover. And agreed, lets hope Nikky's timeline is the best case scenario.

 

[GNP]

On the flip side someone earlier posted an article talking about Giroux needing 9 months to fully recover, and Patrick saying he probably needed a second surgery to fully recover. And agreed, lets hope Nikky's timeline is the best case scenario.

Your right on Bogo, and I prefer to look toward the bright side of things, but it can work the other way as well, just as you mentioned. Let's just hope Nik's case has a very positive and quick outcome.

 

[KingBogo]

Your right on Bogo, and I prefer to look toward the bright side of things, but it can work the other way as well, just as you mentioned. Let's just hope Nik's case has a very positive and quick outcome.

That's what we all need to hope for now. Ideally the time table works out well, and he gets going to full speed by the playoffs.

 

[gojetsgo]

This is likely unknowable. With a cumulative injury due to repetition the underlying conditions could have been gradually building over years.

I'm just very confused on this, from reading about this it says sports hernia's are very painful and you have other injuries that you have to rule out before you can tell it's a sports hernia, so if this injury is hard to diagnose right after you get one, how in the world would you be able to preemptively do surgery to fix it?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

wait, did I miss the post that stated his injury goes back to last season?

Maybe. Maybe I inferred it from some other posts.

AFAIK sports hernias don't suddenly appear. They develop over time. Some players have avoided the surgery for as long as possible. I assume they don't want to interrupt their peak years with it. But that has the result of it gradually getting worse and worse, until they can't play with it any longer and also having the surgery done when they are older and less likely to recover enough to play at a high level again.

 

[gojetsgo]

Maybe. Maybe I inferred it from some other posts.

AFAIK sports hernias don't suddenly appear. They develop over time. Some players have avoided the surgery for as long as possible. I assume they don't want to interrupt their peak years with it. But that has the result of it gradually getting worse and worse, until they can't play with it any longer and also having the surgery done when they are older and less likely to recover enough to play at a high level again.

yeah, It makes perfect sense that the jets would have rather waited for the season to start to get the surgery instead of just doing it in the off season...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Still stuck on that Stastny thing eh? might be time to move on

Also unless i missed something there's no evidence the injury goes back to last year is there?

There were a couple of posts here talking about off-season and last year. I'm not sure how knowledgeable they were. But it fits the pattern of the Sports Hernia. They develop slowly over years. If it is bad enough that it needs surgery now, it has probably been known of for quite some time.

Edit: Not stuck on the Stastny thing. But it seemed to fit the context. Lost opportunity.

 

[KingBogo]

I'm just very confused on this, from reading about this it says sports hernia's are very painful and you have other injuries that you have to rule out before you can tell it's a sports hernia, so if this injury is hard to diagnose right after you get one, how in the world would you be able to preemptively do surgery to fix it?

You can't, and I never said you could. As Mort has said it builds gradually over time. For all we know Nikky has been dealing with pain/discomfort for awhile know, and it got to the point where surgery became necessary.

 

[gojetsgo]

You can't, and I never said you could.

mort who I originally quoted was saying he should have had the surgery last season

 

[Adam da bomb]

Do the jets stay Pat? No point breaking the bank with Ehlers out and a really great draft coming up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not only is hf filled with wannabe gm's, accountants, coaches, agents/lawyers.... But can add doctors to the list. Is anyone reputable outside of hf posters bringing up career ender seriously?

From a legit doctor and someone who works/worked in sports injuries

I did a fair bit of research on it at the time of Ladd's surgery. That statement is dependent on the players age. Or at least that is what I found 7 years ago. I recall reading articles with a lot of data showing a steep curve after 30. Very high success rate before 30, increasngly low after. For all I know, the technique has improved since then. 7 years can be a long time in medical science.

Edit: That recovery time of 8-12 weeks sounds encouraging. I wonder if that includes time to get back into playing shape.

 

[Inanna]

Man, what a HUGE blow. Hopefully Nik can come back strong and fast. Really sad day..

I love your avatar.

Out in Van we used to consider him public enemy number one.