Proposal: (COL) Rantanen for (NYR) Shesterkin

[dgibb10]

you are welcome to yr opinion
whole world knows Igor wants to set a benchmark and he will get it
if not from you, from somewhere, he only needs 1 club

only reason Rs put him up is we have Garand able to step in w/Quick + Domingue reinforcing
howev, in unlikely event return too small, we will extend him and deal him later

Thinking you can get Shesterkin to sign any contract that doesn't include a full NMC and then trade him later is pure delusion.

The rangers are going to pay shesterkin his demands and keep him.

Nobody is paying out the wazoo for the right to pay a goalie that much.

 

[bernmeister]

Blake kicked the tires on some goalies, but refused to pay top assets. That would include Shesterkin. Blake’s signed enough long-term, high dollar contracts and have zero need to take on the Ranger’s deep 30 contracts even if they could afford it under the cap. But, most importantly, Byfield is going nowhere. You need to come to bit of reality and accept that.

There was a published report LAK is hard for him
would prefer obv only to pay him as ufa and surrender no assets, but that is not gonna happen
either Rs get good enuf return and move him, or keep him and deal him later.

I agree a REASONABLE add w/Shesty goes for Byfield, but that is likely the currency to be returned esp if you want to outbid competition

TOR also needs a major move to avoid a repeat, and this is up their alley

Your extension with him will include a no movement and no trade clause

Thinking you can get Shesterkin to sign any contract that doesn't include a full NMC and then trade him later is pure delusion.

The rangers are going to pay shesterkin his demands and keep him.

Nobody is paying out the wazoo for the right to pay a goalie that much.

bern has been saying and fact they regret it w/zib proves I am correct

no NMCs to anyone, period, for any reason
Signif ntcs can protect player sufficiently w/o castrating mgmt

 

[Mrfenn92]

There was a published report LAK is hard for him
would prefer obv only to pay him as ufa and surrender no assets, but that is not gonna happen
either Rs get good enuf return and move him, or keep him and deal him later.

I agree a REASONABLE add w/Shesty goes for Byfield, but that is likely the currency to be returned esp if you want to outbid competition

TOR also needs a major move to avoid a repeat, and this is up their alley





bern has been saying and fact they regret it w/zib proves I am correct

no NMCs to anyone, period, for any reason
Signif ntcs can protect player sufficiently w/o castrating mgmt

Then he’s not signing with you to deal him later

 

[spaghtti]

There was a published report LAK is hard for him
would prefer obv only to pay him as ufa and surrender no assets, but that is not gonna happen
either Rs get good enuf return and move him, or keep him and deal him later.

I agree a REASONABLE add w/Shesty goes for Byfield, but that is likely the currency to be returned esp if you want to outbid competition

TOR also needs a major move to avoid a repeat, and this is up their alley

Who is there to out bid, like you said it only takes one team, no one wants to trade a young #1c for a goalie that is looking for a record breaking contract

 

[dgibb10]

There was a published report LAK is hard for him
would prefer obv only to pay him as ufa and surrender no assets, but that is not gonna happen
either Rs get good enuf return and move him, or keep him and deal him later.

I agree a REASONABLE add w/Shesty goes for Byfield, but that is likely the currency to be returned esp if you want to outbid competition

TOR also needs a major move to avoid a repeat, and this is up their alley





bern has been saying and fact they regret it w/zib proves I am correct

no NMCs to anyone, period, for any reason
Signif ntcs can protect player sufficiently w/o castrating mgmt

Lmao at thinking you can get shesterkin to sign without full NMC

 

[bernmeister]

Who is there to out bid, like you said it only takes one team, no one wants to trade a young #1c for a goalie that is looking for a record breaking contract

in no particular order:
TOR
CHI
DET
LAK
that's a quick 4 off the top of my head

 

[spaghtti]

in no particular order:
TOR
CHI
DET
LAK
that's a quick 4 off the top of my head

Which one of those teams wants to give up a #1C like you and asking for

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Lmao at thinking you can get shesterkin to sign without full NMC

He thinks that about every player. Complete fantasy

 

[bernmeister]

Lmao at thinking you can get shesterkin to sign without full NMC

unlikely to come to that if other teams in need willing to pay full pop will take him now to keep him off the table

 

[dgibb10]

He thinks that about every player. Complete fantasy

Like I said, the whole thing is pure copium about a rental asset who has the rangers by the balls in negotiations

Lol at thinking someone is going to give up a 1C like byfield or 2 top tier assets like Nemec and Silayev
Lol at thinking he would sign without an NMC
Lol at thinking Garand or Quick or Domingue would be even close to a replacement for shesty

 

[bernmeister]

Which one of those teams wants to give up a #1C like you and asking for

It doesn't have to be 1C, just acceptably high enuf in proper currency
I agree with LA then NY needs to add but that is the target, there is a big drop off if he is off the table.

And there are others, but they need 3 way.
Keeping this back to this thread, like I said
Ratanen to Devils
Shesty to Avalanche
Nemic and Silayev to NYR

 

[dgibb10]

It doesn't have to be 1C, just acceptably high enuf in proper currency
I agree with LA then NY needs to add but that is the target, there is a big drop off if he is off the table.

And there are others, but they need 3 way.
Keeping this back to this thread, like I said
Ratanen to Devils
Shesty to Avalanche
Nemic and Silayev to NYR

Devils aren't paying that for a rental Rantanen.

 

[bernmeister]

Like I said, the whole thing is pure copium about a rental asset who has the rangers by the balls in negotiations

Lol at thinking someone is going to give up a 1C like byfield or 2 top tier assets like Nemec and Silayev
Lol at thinking he would sign without an NMC
Lol at thinking Garand or Quick or Domingue would be even close to a replacement for shesty

there is no overnight replacement for Shesty
BUT
if you have vision, you see best move is extend the window
deal for youth

 

[dgibb10]

there is no overnight replacement for Shesty
BUT
if you have vision, you see best move is extend the window
deal for youth

If you convince yourself some team is willing to pay out the wazoo for a 12 mill+ goalie sure.

In the reality, nobody is going to give anywhere near that much.

NYR will cave to shestys demand with a full NMC, and they will hope they can finally put together a competent enough team so that shesty's carry jobs aren't wasted, and that shesty can do it for the next 8 years.

 

[bernmeister]

Devils aren't paying that for a rental Rantanen.

Avs can give permission to arrange an extension before.

That's not a hard concept, peeps
and it is not without precedent

I think Pageau to Isles was finalized hours after he was dealt.
Obv there was some discussion before hand

 

[spaghtti]

It doesn't have to be 1C, just acceptably high enuf in proper currency
I agree with LA then NY needs to add but that is the target, there is a big drop off if he is off the table.

And there are others, but they need 3 way.
Keeping this back to this thread, like I said
Ratanen to Devils
Shesty to Avalanche
Nemic and Silayev to NYR

Why would Rantanen sign an extensive with the Devils a team he has no allegiance to versus going to UFA or signing with the Avs.

 

[bernmeister]

If you convince yourself some team is willing to pay out the wazoo for a 12 mill+ goalie sure.

In the reality, nobody is going to give anywhere near that much.

NYR will cave to shestys demand with a full NMC, and they will hope they can finally put together a competent enough team so that shesty's carry jobs aren't wasted, and that shesty can do it for the next 8 years.

it only takes 1 team and there is precedent for Gs at 10/+ {price, Bob, if I am not mistaken}
the cap is going up soon
12m not a prob over 8 yrs of contract length
he is arguably best G in the league now and could be for another 5 or so yrs

gotta pay for quality

Why would Rantanen sign an extensive with the Devils a team he has no allegiance to versus going to UFA or signing with the Avs.

Let's assume Rant wants X, plus decent chance at cup
Let's assume NJ offers close enuf to X.

Why turn down getting what he asked for?
This is not hard.
Either he gets what he asks for or not, but we know that BEFOREHAND
so there is zero risk of taking him on w/o extension

 

[benfranklin]

My guess is the Rangers give him $11.2 or whatever it takes to get it done, but IF they had to trade him, Rantanen is a huge win for a return.

 

[spaghtti]

it only takes 1 team and there is precedent for Gs at 10/+ {price, Bob, if I am not mistaken}
the cap is going up soon
12m not a prob over 8 yrs of contract length
he is arguably best G in the league now and could be for another 5 or so yrs

gotta pay for quality


Let's assume Rant wants X, plus decent chance at cup
Let's assume NJ offers close enuf to X.

Why turn down getting what he asked for?
This is not hard.
Either he gets what he asks for or not, but we know that BEFOREHAND
so there is zero risk of taking him on w/o extension

Rantanen's agent would have to bean idiot for taking close "enuf " rather than hit the open market and find the best fit team and salary wise

 

[dgibb10]

Avs can give permission to arrange an extension before.

That's not a hard concept, peeps
and it is not without precedent

I think Pageau to Isles was finalized hours after he was dealt.
Obv there was some discussion before hand

NJD cannot afford a 13 mill rantanen, and even if they could they are not paying boatloads extra for the right to pay Rantanen a boatload of money

 

[benfranklin]

Rantanen's agent would have to bean idiot for taking close "enuf " rather than hit the open market and find the best fit team and salary wise

lol enuf. I personally think Rantanen never even sniffs a trade offer or UFA. The Avalanche love him and will give hm $11M and call it a day. I think they're waiting on Landeskog to get the extension done. Just have to have the number locked in, in preparation for Cale's $12-13.

 

[spaghtti]

lol enuf. I personally think Rantanen never even sniffs a trade offer or UFA. The Avalanche love him and will give hm $11M and call it a day. I think they're waiting on Landeskog to get the extension done. Just have to have the number locked in, in preparation for Cale's $12-13.

I agree