Ehlers Injured - Upper Body

[BoneDocUK]

One game too late unfortunately. I thought Ehlers said he was ready to go earlier. Unless permanent damage is possible, he should have dressed earlier. These are the playoffs…screw doctor’s clearance.

I don't do sports meds as a rule, but colleagues who do are required to serve the player, who is the patient, and not the team, who isn't. Trust is required for the process to work -- when it isn't there, all kinds of difficult situations can develop as we saw with Buff, Eichel, etc. That's when you see non-team docs consulted and adversarial actions, and it's hard to think of an example where that worked out well for a team (or player, or medical advisors). The medical staff attached to the Jets are excellent, and are not going to toss their oath for the chance of a playoff win at the possible expense of Ehlers' longterm health and longterm damage to their own reputations, careers via College action, lawsuit, etc., and that of the wider profession.

If I'm advising a player that injury X is potentially significant now and longterm and that aggravation is potentially career or even life altering, I'm maybe aware and perhaps sympathetic to but ultimately unconcerned about what the team wants, and I'd expect that the player would be also.

Scenario 1: Ehlers plays in game 4, scores the OT winner, and is fine.

Scenario 2: Ehlers plays in game 4, sustains a serious aggravation, doesn't score the OT winner, and is out for months or longer and is unwilling to return at any cost to a team that puts their short-term gain over his health. Other players watch this go on and start the wheels moving to get out, and the word spreads round the league that the Jets aren't to be trusted. Etc.

Between those scenarios is a whole lot of grey area, but no team that seemingly has worked as hard to win the trust of its players as the Jets is going to force a player to play against medical advice. And few docs, and certainly not the ones who consult with the Jets, are going to stick around to watch their advice ignored and players endangered.

Bottom line: a player with a potentially serious injury doesn't play until he's been cleared to play, no sooner. That's what I'd expect and I see no blame here for Ehlers or the team.

In other news, let's see a desperation win tonight, Jets!

 

[Channelcat]

I don't do sports meds as a rule, but colleagues who do are required to serve the player, who is the patient, and not the team, who isn't. Trust is required for the process to work -- when it isn't there, all kinds of difficult situations can develop as we saw with Buff, Eichel, etc. That's when you see non-team docs consulted and adversarial actions, and it's hard to think of an example where that worked out well for a team (or player, or medical advisors). The medical staff attached to the Jets are excellent, and are not going to toss their oath for the chance of a playoff win at the possible expense of Ehlers' longterm health and longterm damage to their own reputations, careers via College action, lawsuit, etc., and that of the wider profession.

If I'm advising a player that injury X is potentially significant now and longterm and that aggravation is potentially career or even life altering, I'm maybe aware and perhaps sympathetic to but ultimately unconcerned about what the team wants, and I'd expect that the player would be also.

Scenario 1: Ehlers plays in game 4, scores the OT winner, and is fine.

Scenario 2: Ehlers plays in game 4, sustains a serious aggravation, doesn't score the OT winner, and is out for months or longer and is unwilling to return at any cost to a team that puts their short-term gain over his health. Other players watch this go on and start the wheels moving to get out, and the word spreads round the league that the Jets aren't to be trusted. Etc.

Between those scenarios is a whole lot of grey area, but no team that seemingly has worked as hard to win the trust of its players as the Jets is going to force a player to play against medical advice. And few docs, and certainly not the ones who consult with the Jets, are going to stick around to watch their advice ignored and players endangered.

Bottom line: a player with a potentially serious injury doesn't play until he's been cleared to play, no sooner. That's what I'd expect and I see no blame here for Ehlers or the team.

In other news, let's see a desperation win tonight, Jets!

As long as we are operating with reasonable and typical procedure, I am good with it.

Not convinced that's the case.

 

[cbcwpg]

Like everyone else I have no idea what is or what was wrong with Ehlers, but I will say this. It is far more important that Ehlers can spend the next 2 years of his contract playing healthy and unimpeded, than it is to risk an injury or something that becomes a long term issue, because he played too soon.

 

[Ducky10]

What a ridiculous notion that Ehlers should possibly compromise his long term health ,and that the Jets should possibly compromise the health of one of their most valuable assets, for the sake of a playoff game or series.

 

[Channelcat]

Like everyone else I have no idea what is or what was wrong with Ehlers, but I will say this. It is far more important that Ehlers can spend the next 2 years of his contract playing healthy and unimpeded, than it is to risk an injury or something that becomes a long term issue, because he played too soon.

If that's the case, maybe the league and PA should get together and try to take dangerous hits out of the game. Seems like they want more of it.

 

[gojetsgo]

pretty sure this is the first time he's even tried the morning skate

 

[DannyGallivan]

What a ridiculous notion that Ehlers should possibly compromise his long term health ,and that the Jets should possibly compromise the health of one of their most valuable assets, for the sake of a playoff game or series.

Has anybody actually suggested that? I think the question is whether he is “fully healed” versus “still hurting but not risking anything permanent “. This is based on early reports that suggested he would be ready to play much sooner.

At this point it’s virtually moot anyways. Not only is it highly improbable for any team to come back from a 1-3 deficit in games at full health, but an eighth seeded team missing its best defenseman, top goal scorer and best play driver (not to mention Perfetti who must have had a limb reattached or something) …

It would be the comeback of the century if it happens.

 

[Jets 31]

Has anybody actually suggested that? I think the question is whether he is “fully healed” versus “still hurting but not risking anything permanent “. This is based on early reports that suggested he would be ready to play much sooner.

At this point it’s virtually moot anyways. Not only is it highly improbable for any team to come back from a 1-3 deficit in games at full health, but an eighth seeded team missing its best defenseman, top goal scorer and best play driver (not to mention Perfetti who must have had a limb reattached or something) …

It would be the comeback of the century if it happens.

Q the comeback.

 

[JetsFan815]

What a ridiculous notion that Ehlers should possibly compromise his long term health ,and that the Jets should possibly compromise the health of one of their most valuable assets, for the sake of a playoff game or series.

And for a playoff series that is pretty much lost anyways.

 

[jetsforever]

Has anybody actually suggested that? I think the question is whether he is “fully healed” versus “still hurting but not risking anything permanent “. This is based on early reports that suggested he would be ready to play much sooner.

At this point it’s virtually moot anyways. Not only is it highly improbable for any team to come back from a 1-3 deficit in games at full health, but an eighth seeded team missing its best defenseman, top goal scorer and best play driver (not to mention Perfetti who must have had a limb reattached or something) …

It would be the comeback of the century if it happens.

Yeah exactly - don't risk anything long-term but if it's just some pain or whatever you can play through that in an elimination game

 

[Ducky10]

I’m pretty sure Ehlers would be playing if this was just a matter of pain management. You don’t need medical clearance for how much pain you can tolerate.

 

[CorgisPer60]

It has to be sternum. It has to be. I can't think of anything else dangerous that can keep him out for this long.

 

[Howard Chuck]

What a ridiculous notion that Ehlers should possibly compromise his long term health ,and that the Jets should possibly compromise the health of one of their most valuable assets, for the sake of a playoff game or series.

We all sometimes forget that this is a game.