Post-Game Talk: Eff those Refs... Jets lose 4-2

[Flair Hay]

Having a let down game here and trying to salvage it a bit too late isnt all that surprising

 

[Whileee]

Meh

Our team is constructed that way and our coaches seem to want us to play physically and on the edge. We have historically lacked discipline under Noel and Maurice and our penalty totals are an accurate reflection of that. I think there are lots of mistakes made by the NHL officials against us and all teams for that matter but when the smoke clears we reap exactly what we sow. When I watch how we play compared to most teams I think we should be one of the most penalized teams in the league.

I think too many of our penalties are just careless, or due to poor defensive play that gets them hemmed in their own zone and tired.

 

[Ducky10]

By far the worst penalties they take are in the offensive zone or neutral zone. I can forgive d zone penalties, they usually aren't borne out of being lazy.

 

[ps241]

I think too many of our penalties are just careless, or due to poor defensive play that gets them hemmed in their own zone and tired.

Yea when we don’t skate we take a lot of deserved penalties by reaching with our sticks. It drives our fan base nuts but we are F’ing sloppy. Noel and Maurice have not been able to do much about it. Then you combine that with being a big physical team and that is the recipe for being one of the more penalized teams in the league.

I watched 2 periods of a Canes Rangers game last season and I was thinking Jesus I don’t think the Canes are going to take a minor penalty all season if they keep playing like this. It was a stark contrast to how we play.

 

[Whileee]

Yea when we don’t skate we take a lot of deserved penalties by reaching with our sticks. It drives our fan base nuts but we are F’ing sloppy. Noel and Maurice have not been able to do much about it. Then you combine that with being a big physical team and that is the recipe for being one of the more penalized teams in the league.

I watched 2 periods of a Canes Rangers game last season and I was thinking Jesus I don’t think the Canes are going to take a minor penalty all season if they keep playing like this. It was a stark contrast to how we play.

Also, really big strong players don't draw as many penalties, so players like Buff, Trouba, Myers, Lowry, Copp, etc. get hooked and grabbed often without a call because they aren't as obviously affected by the hooks, etc. Conversely, when Buff gets a lot penalties for being big, where another player with the same action won't get called because the outcome isn't as dramatic.

 

[Gotaf7]

From the Dallas forum

“Jets fans whine about the refs none stop. More than any other team. Its so annoying.“​

Spot on!

 

[EpicGingy]

From the Dallas forum

“Jets fans whine about the refs none stop. More than any other team. Its so annoying.“​

They're not wrong but the simple solution here is to not read other team's boards.

 

[Gil Fisher]

People are people regardless of what team they support. If it's true that we whine more than other teams' fans, I'd have to assume it's because we have a reason.

 

[ps241]

Also, really big strong players don't draw as many penalties, so players like Buff, Trouba, Myers, Lowry, Copp, etc. get hooked and grabbed often without a call because they aren't as obviously affected by the hooks, etc. Conversely, when Buff gets a lot penalties for being big, where another player with the same action won't get called because the outcome isn't as dramatic.

Yea I agree that is another factor.

 

[HannuJ]

the problem is the inconsistent reffing. to go from the Nashville game, where the refs let the players muck it up, to yesterday's game, is silly.

also silly: that call on Laine. that was such a BS call. even take 30 seconds, talk it over, call Laine for hooking and call the Stars' player for unsportsmanlike

 

[kanadalainen]

I'm off to enjoy more of the Banff nightlife.

 

[surixon]

Team could use a break so I am not too worked up over the game last night.

 

[kanadalainen]

And you couldn’t wait until the All Star bye week to go to Mexico, some Jets fan you are!

Sip -> you are ridiculous. This made me laugh. Poor @ps241 took the full _enraged spouse_ beat-down.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Alright, so here's my likely star-crossed effort to be the voice of reason against the hounding mob:

Two road games against the #2 and #3 teams in the division and we split, beating the better of the two and even finishing with a positive goal differential.

Fun fact: even if you're a 70:30 favorite against each team, you're still likelier to NOT win them both than you are to sweep them both.

So yes, this game -- sordid tragedy it clearly was -- represented part of going 4 out of our last 5 and 7-3-0 in our last ten, all while still missing some pretty big f'n pieces.

The team is doing fine. Very well, in fact. Many more ups than downs.

Success in an individual event cannot be assured through force of will alone. That's why "he HAS to make that save" is bunk.
Success in an individual game cannot be assured through force of will alone. That's why "this is a MUST WIN game" is bunk.
Success in an individual series cannot be assured through force of will alone. That's why "there's no way the '82 Oilers could lose to the Kings" is bunk.
Success in an individual tournament cannot be assured through force of will alone. That's why "failing to win the Cup makes a good team bad" is bunk.

To make a save on a breakaway requires luck, even as a favorite.
To win a game requires luck, even as the favorite.
To win a playoff series requires luck, even as a favorite.
To win the cup requires luck, even as a favorite.

The Jets team that played Dallas was almost exactly the same Jets team that played Nashville, just as surely as the same poker player who made his flush draw yesterday could be almost exactly the same player that missed one today. But variance was on our side against Nashville and it wasn't on our side against Dallas. Such is life in a non-deterministic event, even an athletic one.

Neither game we played was perfect. No NHL team plays a perfect game. The perfect game is a myth.

We did some things right in both games, things that can be built on.
We did some things wrong in both games, things that can be learned from.

Yesterday was a setback, not the End Times.

This team is still very good, and when the championship tournament runs around, we will be one of the top contenders.

Chances are high we won't win the Cup, as a function of the chances being high that ANY individual team won't win the Cup.

And we need to be at peace with why that is: because so much is beyond our control.

But if we can't be at peace with the fact that so much is beyond our control in ONE game, how will we come to peace with the fact that so much will be beyond our control in the most gruelling tournament in sports?

.. but trust me about the sunscreen.

 

[LowLefty]

Yea when we don’t skate we take a lot of deserved penalties by reaching with our sticks. It drives our fan base nuts but we are F’ing sloppy. Noel and Maurice have not been able to do much about it. Then you combine that with being a big physical team and that is the recipe for being one of the more penalized teams in the league.

I watched 2 periods of a Canes Rangers game last season and I was thinking Jesus I don’t think the Canes are going to take a minor penalty all season if they keep playing like this. It was a stark contrast to how we play.

Craig Button made a good post game comment on the penalties -
Looks like the Jets were coming off a stretch and they were tired - and took a lot of "tired" penalties.
I wouldn't blame the coach for that -

Frustrating game for the Jets - I missed the 3rd - I couldn't watch anymore but wish I had of stuck with it.
Looks like we made a game of it and could have won it with a little puck luck.
Penalties, BTW, were 8 - 7 for the Jets - not that lop sided.

 

[scelaton]

I am in Mexico and missed the game but did predict this was going to be a tough game....too much emotion in the last few wins and this had trap game vs a wounded animal written all over it.

Me too, first game in a while I missed completely.
Now, that is what you call puck luck.

 

[Robinson2187]

They're not wrong but the simple solution here is to not read other team's boards.

why?

 

[HannuJ]

the pass by Wheeler on Connor's goal was amazing.

 

[DowntownBooster]

Folks still in 1st place 4 point up on the Predators with 2 games in hand I would say it's been a hell of a first half, still a long way to go but it's way better than being on the playoff bubble.

That's true, we are 4 points up on Nashville which is a good thing. However, in the Western conference we are now 5 points back of Calgary. I know we have 2 games in hand but unless you win those games they are meaningless.

Having a let down game here and trying to salvage it a bit too late isnt all that surprising

Having these let down games has a negative impact on the Jets reputation as an elite team. When you look at the records of Tampa Bay and Calgary, it seems as though they're both able to avoid as many let down games as Winnipeg has had. The Jets could have validated the opinion of others that they are a force to be reckoned with by being able to march into Dallas and knock off the Stars especially after beating both Vegas and Nashville.

Team could use a break so I am not too worked up over the game last night.

Indeed they could use a break but it still would have been nice to enter it on a winning note. While they have played 48 games some teams have played 50 including Calgary. The Flames have been able to steal our thunder as the best team in Canada. The Jets being able to overcome the Leafs in points at this point in the season was a good thing so it's a shame to have fallen behind the Flames in that regard. It's a lot more enjoyable having the national media talking about the Jets (like last year) instead of one of the other Canadian teams.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

That is one dumb animal. And I'm not talking about either Moose.

 

[Heldig]

Some really weak - as in should not be called a penalty - calls in the game. On both sides. It was like the refs made a bad call and then tried to make up for it and then tried to make up for that call. Ruins the game.

Still, a p*** poor performance by most of the Jets. Lazy and uninspired.

 

[ps241]

Me too, first game in a while I missed completely.
Now, that is what you call puck luck.

And somehow Sip seems to have given you a pass .

 

[Ducky10]

That's true, we are 4 points up on Nashville which is a good thing. However, in the Western conference we are now 5 points back of Calgary. I know we have 2 games in hand but unless you win those games they are meaningless.



Having these let down games has a negative impact on the Jets reputation as an elite team. When you look at the records of Tampa Bay and Calgary, it seems as though they're both able to avoid as many let down games as Winnipeg has had. The Jets could have validated the opinion of others that they are a force to be reckoned with by being able to march into Dallas and knock off the Stars especially after beating both Vegas and Nashville.



Indeed they could use a break but it still would have been nice to enter it on a winning note. While they have played 48 games some teams have played 50 including Calgary. The Flames have been able to steal our thunder as the best team in Canada. The Jets being able to overcome the Leafs in points at this point in the season was a good thing so it's a shame to have fallen behind the Flames in that regard. It's a lot more enjoyable having the national media talking about the Jets (like last year) instead of one of the other Canadian teams.

This has to be the most glass half empty post I have read. Who cares what the national media is saying about us, it has nothing to do with us being an elite team or not. Besides after the loss last night Button mentioned the very same let down in his synopsis of the game, while also mentioning what a serious cup contender they are.

Calgary hasn't had as many let down games? They are 5 points up with 2 more played. If the Jets win those 2, which is more likely than them losing at this point, then they are 1 up. How does the math work with them having less let downs than the Jets?

The Jets are elite, the Bolts are elite, the Flames look like they are but tbh, I'm.curious to see if their depth holds up in the 2nd half.

I'm fine with heading into the break winning 4 of 5, including Vegas and Nashville.

GJG!

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Some really weak - as in should not be called a penalty - calls in the game. On both sides. It was like the refs made a bad call and then tried to make up for it and then tried to make up for that call. Ruins the game.

Still, a p*** poor performance by most of the Jets. Lazy and uninspired.

 

[ps241]

Indeed they could use a break but it still would have been nice to enter it on a winning note. While they have played 48 games some teams have played 50 including Calgary. The Flames have been able to steal our thunder as the best team in Canada. The Jets being able to overcome the Leafs in points at this point in the season was a good thing so it's a shame to have fallen behind the Flames in that regard. It's a lot more enjoyable having the national media talking about the Jets (like last year) instead of one of the other Canadian teams.

I’ll be honest if we were going to lose one of those last three games I prefer it was the last one in Dallas. Let’s the boys go into the break with a tiny burr under their saddle (possibly).

I am not worried about our reputation as an elite team I just want this team to peak in the spring.