First of all, I thought Mathews played great and pulled every bit of his weight on that line. But take off your homer glasses for a second. Do you know how goals are scored? Face-offs, zone entries, drawing defenders out of position? All of these matter. On that great goal by Matthews against Sweden, McDavid won the opening draw, he then carried the puck from his own blueline into the Swedish zone to achieve a clean zone entry, split the D, and got a shot on goal. By the time Matthews touches the puck for the first time Lundquist is out of position, the defence is in disarray and has lost coverage on a bunch of players, allowing Reilly to get wide open. Matthews retrieves the puck, dekes out a defender and spots Reilly streaking to the open ice, who then got good wood on a one-timer on net, giving Matthews a top-in rebound. And you actually think Matthews scored that goal 100% on his own? C'mon man. McDavid, Reilly AND Matthews all played key roles in that goal.
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First of all, I thought Mathews played great and pulled every bit of his weight on that line. But take off your homer glasses for a second. Do you know how goals are scored? Face-offs, zone entries, drawing defenders out of position? All of these matter. On that great goal by Matthews against Sweden, McDavid won the opening draw, he then carried the puck from his own blueline into the Swedish zone to achieve a clean zone entry, split the D, and got a shot on goal. By the time Matthews touches the puck for the first time Lundquist is out of position, the defence is in disarray and has lost coverage on a bunch of players, allowing Reilly to get wide open. Matthews retrieves the puck, dekes out a defender and spots Reilly streaking to the open ice, who then got good wood on a one-timer on net, giving Matthews a top-in rebound. And you actually think Matthews scored that goal 100% on his own? C'mon man. McDavid, Reilly AND Matthews all played key roles in that goal.
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I'm sure the All Star game will be something like the under 25's vs the league or something. I'm sure the NHL noticed the reaction of the kids from the fans.
I'm not going to comment on the proposal as it is ridiculous. Matthews will be Toronto's face of the franchise. As Crosby is to Pittsburgh, Lindros was to Philly, Yzerman was to Detroit, etc etc etc.
All these proposals do is have 2 fanbases snipe at each other over players who should be enjoyed instead of being compared.
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For a countless number of reasons, Matthews is simply not available. It's not even worth getting into what price it would take to get him. He's simply not available, and there's no point in continuing further.
Not an Oilers fan but the same situation applies (even more so, in fact) with McDavid. Not available so don't bother.
Not an Oilers fan but the same situation applies (even more so, in fact) with McDavid. Not available so don't bother.
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no it doesn't, the whole is greater then the sum of it's parts...look at team canada defence, no one will say muzzin/bouw is better then subban/letang 1v1...but as a combo doughty/bouw, weber/bouw whatever they play is better then doughty/subban, doughty/letang
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Wot?? Matthews is already a better player than Drai, and RNH/Nurse/2nd are scraps when you're talking about a trade of this magnitude. Counter proposal. Nylander/Marner + Rielly + 2nd for McDavid.
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Leaf fan here, agree that we need to stop throwing the word "scraps" around and flaming the other teams assets for no reason. Edmonton has some great pieces (which they should after drafting so high for so long), and even though the leafs are absolutely not trading Matthews for a collection of lesser pieces, I would love to have Draisaitl and Nurse in our system - these are not scraps
These threads always turn into poop slinging contests when one person says something extreme, then a fan of the other team counteracts with something more extreme until the whole thing looks like a US presidential debate (apologies to our American friends)
Not a fan of either team, but
Dr. Drai + Puljujärvi + either another 1st or comparable roster player has to at least make the discussion happen.
Let's not discount how good Drai has looked in the WC.
Dr. Drai + Puljujärvi + either another 1st or comparable roster player has to at least make the discussion happen.
Let's not discount how good Drai has looked in the WC.
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Matthews looked great playing with MacD but not just because MacD is another great player. Matthews looked good because he is good. He has a chance to be the best Leaf ever. ( there I said it) Or at least in the conversation. No way Leafs trade him even if value is fair or slanted in their favor. Unless a deal is rediculous.
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Yeah try more like a McDavid and Matthews swap, And neither is going to happen. And besides how do you think that Toronto can afford to give both $12 million down the road it's not happening.
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Leafs fan - I agree with that, if the package contains Draisatl+Puljajarvi+another 1st I think that would be a considerable overpayment, which is the only scenario that we would trade Matthews under
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Value wise that works, but positionally there's absolutely no reason to downgrade at C just to add another wing. The only way it makes sense is if we're picking up a young top-4 RHD, which Edmonton obviously won't want to trade away.
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Any deal like this makes no sense for the Oil though. To upgrade from Drai to Matthews (which remains to be seen if it is an upgrade. Before you freak out and tell me Matthews is better now I understand that his potential upside is a bit higher than Drai. That does not mean he will reach it) is not worth Pool party let alone adding a first.
This fills no need for Edmonton. These 2 teams make lousy trading partners in general
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Ya I agree with that. McDavid-Draisatl is a crazy good 1-2 centre situation and its not like you're lacking talent on the wings. I think too much was made of the chemistry btw McDavid and Matthews, really good players play really well together...seems only natural.
Matthews might never be better than Draisatl, but his market trade value right now is higher than Draisatl. Agreed that the difference isn't Puljajarvi+1st, but that's what it takes to pry him away from TML....which EDM doesn't do....close thread?
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