Speculation: EDM Trades

[ChaoticOrange]

I am hoping the reason Philp is not in the NHL right now is because he didn't play last season and they want to give him lots of minutes in the AHL rather then play on the 4th line with the Oilers and only play 8 minutes a game. Maybe he gets called up later in the season to finish the year on the Oilers.

I would think that now would be the time to see what Philp has. I'd bring him up, give him a handful of games. If he plays well and keeps up, they don't need to add a 4C. If he can't, they might have to.

 

[TFHockey]

I would think that now would be the time to see what Philp has. I'd bring him up, give him a handful of games. If he plays well and keeps up, they don't need to add a 4C. If he can't, they might have to.

Now is the time to see what he can do. Call him up for 9 games and see what he is capable of at the NHL level. If he still needs more time in the AHL, so be it. Trade for a 3/4C.

 

[onetweasy]

Ideally the Oilers get a goalie but I doubt it. Skinner is so overrated by Edmonton fans and media. People praising a goalie that has an under .900 save percentage halfway though the season on a Cup contending team. Definitely a d-man that can play the right side on the second pairing. They also do need a center, even if he is just a 4th line center that can skill penalties, win faceoffs, and has some speed and grit. Maybe Philp from the minors could fill that spot.

I am not sure what Oiler fans you hang out with but I can assure you that Skinner is not "overrated" by Oiler fans.

Most fans I know are pretty aware that he will most likely be the point of failure in the playoffs.

 

[Cup or Bust]

I am not sure what Oiler fans you hang out with but I can assure you that Skinner is not "overrated" by Oiler fans.

Most fans I know are pretty aware that he will most likely be the point of failure in the playoffs.

I see him defended online by fans and Edmonton media pretty regularly. Although some of it is Mark Spector so he probably shouldn't count.

 

[GreeningOil]

You guys want Ceci back? Would take a 3rd.

I would give a 3rd to guarantee Ceci doesn’t become an Oiler again.

Not so much about performance, but having to hear everyone bitch about him again.

 

[TheNumber4]

Whether Kane is out or not, the Oilers were always going to have about $3M-$5M to spend at the TDL. So it doesnt change much, their needs would have been the same regardless.

But yes; a Top 4 defender is their top priority. Oilers fans want it also to be a replacement for Pickard as a backup, but so far that has been no indication Oilers management is looking at that.

You guys want Ceci back? Would take a 3rd.

Lol no. Emberson is doing his job better at a 1/3 of the cap hit.

 

[TheNumber4]

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He’s like the premier RH defenceman out there but he moves the puck like a hand grenade. It’s a pretty sparse market for RHD these days.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Whether Kane is out or not, the Oilers were always going to have about $3M-$5M to spend at the TDL. So it doesnt change much, their needs would have been the same regardless.

But yes; a Top 4 defender is their top priority. Oilers fans want it also to be a replacement for Pickard as a backup, but so far that has been no indication Oilers management is looking at that.


Lol no. Emberson is doing his job better at a 1/3 of the cap hit.

I really hope this is the year the Oilers management makes a splash with goaltending. I know they are high on Skinner's upside, given he is so young, but it makes no sense to have such a veteran team with such a young goalie to me. I don't think there are a ton of options for upgrading the starting goalie left out there, but there may be one or two.

 

[TheNumber4]

I really hope this is the year the Oilers management makes a splash with goaltending. I know they are high on Skinner's upside, given he is so young, but it makes no sense to have such a veteran team with such a young goalie to me. I don't think there are a ton of options for upgrading the starting goalie left out there, but there may be one or two.

Doubtful. Management teams whether Oilers or anywhere don’t make panic moves unless they need to. Above average save percentage and a good GA/game won’t be a priority. He’s been that the last 2 years and likely will again this year. In terms of Skinners experience, the argument could have been better made last year, and they made no moves on that front. This year, he’s got an entire SCFs run of experience added. Although I do see some sense in replacing Pickard to get better insurance, I think warts are showing up in his game recently, but the cost of a backup replacement still needs to be appropriate. They are by definition the plan B.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Is there a particular reason that you feel like Derek Ryan isn't working out for that 4C faceoff role?

He doesn't do anything.

We have a decent player in Noah Philp playing in Bakersfield and is in all likelihood an upgrade on Derek Ryan at that 4C spot.

 

[SEALBound]

I think the Penguins could legitimately help out with Pettersson, Nedeljkovich, and Drew O'Connor.

Pettersson bolsters your 2nd pairing, Neds provides an upgrade to your backup, and DOC becomes a utility player that can work on any line with his speed, forechecking, and PK ability.

Pettersson and DOC are UFAs, Neds has one more year at a modest price. Both Pettersson and DOC could easily be resigned for decent value contracts.

Penguins, in turn will:
1. Be willing to take a cap dump of your choosing.
2. Be willing to take Pickard back if necessary.
3. Be willing to work around your 25/26/27 1sts as there are several conditions on them.
4. Require Sam O'Reilly and a prospect back as well.

Petts+Neds+DOC for Sam O'Reilly+Pickard+2026/27 1st+Petrov+cap dump of your choosing.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think the Penguins could legitimately help out with Pettersson, Nedeljkovich, and Drew O'Connor.

Pettersson bolsters your 2nd pairing, Neds provides an upgrade to your backup, and DOC becomes a utility player that can work on any line with his speed, forechecking, and PK ability.

Pettersson and DOC are UFAs, Neds has one more year at a modest price. Both Pettersson and DOC could easily be resigned for decent value contracts.

Penguins, in turn will:
1. Be willing to take a cap dump of your choosing.
2. Be willing to take Pickard back if necessary.
3. Be willing to work around your 25/26/27 1sts as there are several conditions on them.
4. Require Sam O'Reilly and a prospect back as well.

Petts+Neds+DOC for Sam O'Reilly+Pickard+2026/27 1st+Petrov+cap dump of your choosing.

Forget about that, let’s talk about EK65. What does that deal look like.

 

[Lunatik]

Honest question, do the Oilers have the available assets teams will be looking for to make an impact trade? They have already moved their 1st for this year and their 4th and 6th round picks are tied up in trade conditions.

I'm just not sure the Oilers will want to trade their 2026 first, as it will leave them without a 1st in back to back years and with McDavid's contract only having 1 more year left, they need affordable young players ready to come up should they retain him. The Blues 2nd and 3rd will have some value, but I'm not sure if it will be enough for a defensive or goaltending upgrade.

 

[SEALBound]

Forget about that, let’s talk about EK65. What does that deal look like.

He's $10.5mil for the next 2.5 years. I imagine it largely depends on how the Oilers could fit him in under the cap. I know the obvious solution is "well make the Penguins retain 50%" but I think that will truly come at a high cost because he would fill their last retention spot this year making other deals difficult.

If you wanted to do Kane+Sam O'Reilly+1st+3rd for Karlsson+additional asset, I would be willing to bet there'd be something workable there.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Definitely not “unexpected” news about Kane.

The whole hockey world knew these surgeries were strategically planned

 

[TheNumber4]

I think the Penguins could legitimately help out with Pettersson, Nedeljkovich, and Drew O'Connor.

Pettersson bolsters your 2nd pairing, Neds provides an upgrade to your backup, and DOC becomes a utility player that can work on any line with his speed, forechecking, and PK ability.

Pettersson and DOC are UFAs, Neds has one more year at a modest price. Both Pettersson and DOC could easily be resigned for decent value contracts.

Penguins, in turn will:
1. Be willing to take a cap dump of your choosing.
2. Be willing to take Pickard back if necessary.
3. Be willing to work around your 25/26/27 1sts as there are several conditions on them.
4. Require Sam O'Reilly and a prospect back as well.

Petts+Neds+DOC for Sam O'Reilly+Pickard+2026/27 1st+Petrov+cap dump of your choosing.

Okay I want EK65 instead. But to adddres your proposal, which is a fine one on its surface.

Couple things:
1) Ned has a lower GSAX than Pickard in this season and last. And is also paid $1.5M more than Pickard. So we are losing out on Cap space and spending assets for a non-upgrade.
2) Pettersson is a decent defenceman and might be of interest. But he’s Left Side, so not exactly an ideal fit as the Oilers are looking for a Top 4 RHD.
3) Drew O Connor is interesting as cheap forward depth. But forward depth isn’t exactly a priority for the Oilers right now. We a pretty full up on Wing, a 4C may be of interest though.

From the Oilers side:
1) Sam O Reilly was specifically targeted. We traded into the first round of this past year to get him. And he’s currently killing it since Easton Cowan went to the WJCs opening up oppurtunity for Sam O Reilly on the London Knights. Not sure the Oilers would move him as a prospect. Someone like Beau Akey who made Team Canada might be more appropriately dangled and is further along in development fitting what Dubas has said he wanted, more ripened prospects or young players.
2) A Cap Dump might not be needed to be shipped out. We will have around $5M to play with at the TDL (maybe more) without paying to dump anyone.
3) I’m fine with giving up a 1st round pick, whatever year that may be. As well as other picks of course.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Of what was listed Sharks have a 4C in Nico Sturm, a faceoff wizard, and Luke Kunin, who can provide a bit of scoring punch at the 4C along with some grit and a little bit of nastiness.

 

[TheNumber4]

He's $10.5mil for the next 2.5 years. I imagine it largely depends on how the Oilers could fit him in under the cap. I know the obvious solution is "well make the Penguins retain 50%" but I think that will truly come at a high cost because he would fill their last retention spot this year making other deals difficult.

If you wanted to do Kane+Sam O'Reilly+1st+3rd for Karlsson+additional asset, I would be willing to bet there'd be something workable there.

That’s an interesting and enticing proposal, I would be willing to send a hefty package for Karlsson. Is there a value interest in Kane from your end or just using him as a cap dump? I would consider it either way, but Kane being on LTIR till the post season doesn’t make it a needed cap dump this year atleast.

But Kane shipped off plus cap
Accrual should get us around $8M to fit Karlsson in this year. Add a Jeff Skinner $3M to that and it’s doable.

The problem would be the following years. $10M I think is EK65s cap
Hit right? I would have to think given EK65s defensive issues, he’s valued lower than that. So there is a bit of negative value. I would be more interested in a retained a Karlsson, but I would be willing to pay a high price. What would Karlsson at 50% cost you think?

Considering what Dubas paid to get Karlsson from the Sharks, I think he can end up way ahead if flipped.

 

[SEALBound]

That’s an interesting and enticing proposal, I would be willing to send a hefty package for Karlsson. Is there a value interest in Kane from your end or just using him as a cap dump? I would consider it either way, but Kane being on LTIR till the post season doesn’t make it a needed cap dump this year atleast.

But Kane shipped off plus cap
Accrual should get us around $8M to fit Karlsson in this year. Add a Jeff Skinner $3M to that and it’s doable.

The problem would be the following years. $10M I think is EK65s cap
Hit right? I would have to think given EK65s defensive issues, he’s valued lower than that. So there is a bit of negative value. I would be more interested in a retained a Karlsson, but I would be willing to pay a high price. What would Karlsson at 50% cost you think?

Considering what Dubas paid to get Karlsson from the Sharks, I think he can end up way ahead if flipped.

Kane is a cap dump for us. If he gets surgery and comes back fine, he'd be an okay addition to the forward. If not, LTIRetire. He might do well enough to get flipped at the next year TDL.

After this year, IIRC, Karlsson's actual salary takes a big hit too. Many of us suspect he will be a good trade target to a team looking to compete once he's on his final year and the signing bonus has been paid.

Given what he can still do offensively, I think that evens out the questionable defensive side but that brings up an interesting point - what are you wanting? If you want a PPQB and PMD on the 2RD, he's your man. Pair him with defensively responsible guy and have at it. Pettersson-Karlsson is regularly our best pairing. I would imagine in a better defensive system surround by better players, the highlights on defensive lapses would go down.

I don't think a trade with major retention would necessarily be off the table but I think you have bridge a gap in "missed value" that we might not get if we can't retain on a guy like Pettersson. We have used 2 retention slots and have 1 left. If this was next year when the other two open up, it would be different. So this year, it's a little tougher for us which is why I recommended what I did.

I'm not sure if Dubas is looking to recover from the trade necessarily. A big part of that trade was dumping a bunch of guys that didn't fit with the Penguins - Granlund, Petry, Rutta, CDS. So part of the trade was paying to get rid of some crap.

 

[UnSandvich]

Clearly the solution to your woes is one slightly used Igor Shesterkin. The Rangers'll take McDavid for him, he's apparently declining and is close to being UFA. No need to thank us.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Doubtful. Management teams whether Oilers or anywhere don’t make panic moves unless they need to. Above average save percentage and a good GA/game won’t be a priority. He’s been that the last 2 years and likely will again this year. In terms of Skinners experience, the argument could have been better made last year, and they made no moves on that front. This year, he’s got an entire SCFs run of experience added. Although I do see some sense in replacing Pickard to get better insurance, I think warts are showing up in his game recently, but the cost of a backup replacement still needs to be appropriate. They are by definition the plan B.

Oh, I agree its a longshot. The only reason I am still holding on to this, is that Holland is no longer GM, and the new doofus in command seems to be very comfortable bringing in veterans.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I think the Penguins could legitimately help out with Pettersson, Nedeljkovich, and Drew O'Connor.

Pettersson bolsters your 2nd pairing, Neds provides an upgrade to your backup, and DOC becomes a utility player that can work on any line with his speed, forechecking, and PK ability.

Pettersson and DOC are UFAs, Neds has one more year at a modest price. Both Pettersson and DOC could easily be resigned for decent value contracts.

Penguins, in turn will:
1. Be willing to take a cap dump of your choosing.
2. Be willing to take Pickard back if necessary.
3. Be willing to work around your 25/26/27 1sts as there are several conditions on them.
4. Require Sam O'Reilly and a prospect back as well.

Petts+Neds+DOC for Sam O'Reilly+Pickard+2026/27 1st+Petrov+cap dump of your choosing.

Per Moneypuck, Ned has been worse than Pickard this season. I'm not sold as him as an upgrade at this point. I like Pettersson and DOC, but I'm not willing to give up SOR+1st++ for them. We also don't really have much in the way of short term cap dumps that would be moveable.

The other problem is while I do like DOC, if we're adding a bottom six forward, a center is preferred. We'd like to shift Henrique to the wing if possible because his boots are slow but his hands are still good.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oh, I agree its a longshot. The only reason I am still holding on to this, is that Holland is no longer GM, and the new doofus in command seems to be very comfortable bringing in veterans.

Bowman could definitely see it differently than Holland. We shall see, but reports and leaks seem to indicate we will be running with the same tandem. And our focus will be on Top 4 Defence. By Bowman's own words a wide net has been cast looking for defenceman, but nothing on the goalie front as of yet, but that situation is fluid and can change.

 

[SEALBound]

Per Moneypuck, Ned has been worse than Pickard this season. I'm not sold as him as an upgrade at this point. I like Pettersson and DOC, but I'm not willing to give up SOR+1st++ for them. We also don't really have much in the way of short term cap dumps that would be moveable.

The other problem is while I do like DOC, if we're adding a bottom six forward, a center is preferred. We'd like to shift Henrique to the wing if possible because his boots are slow but his hands are still good.

Ned is mediocre on a bad team that has big issues in the defensive zone. Pickard is mediocre on a good team. I would bet on Neds be better in Edmonton than Pickard but that's just me. You can have Jarry for free if you'd like.

DOC can play center. He'd be a fine 4C if needed (based on what a previous poster daid). He's played a bit of 3C for us this year and hasn't looked out of place.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think the Penguins could legitimately help out with Pettersson, Nedeljkovich, and Drew O'Connor.

Pettersson bolsters your 2nd pairing, Neds provides an upgrade to your backup, and DOC becomes a utility player that can work on any line with his speed, forechecking, and PK ability.

Pettersson and DOC are UFAs, Neds has one more year at a modest price. Both Pettersson and DOC could easily be resigned for decent value contracts.

Penguins, in turn will:
1. Be willing to take a cap dump of your choosing.
2. Be willing to take Pickard back if necessary.
3. Be willing to work around your 25/26/27 1sts as there are several conditions on them.
4. Require Sam O'Reilly and a prospect back as well.

Petts+Neds+DOC for Sam O'Reilly+Pickard+2026/27 1st+Petrov+cap dump of your choosing.

Let's just simplify it and do a deal for Petterson. We don't really have room for DOC, and Ned isn't going to be enough of an upgrade to be worthwhile. Sam O'Reilly isn't going to be a part of the deal though.