Speculation: EDM Trades

[SEALBound]

Let's just simplify it and do a deal for Petterson. We don't really have room for DOC, and Ned isn't going to be enough of an upgrade to be worthwhile. Sam O'Reilly isn't going to be a part of the deal though.

Most posters thought a deal of Pettersson for Elias Pettersson (the young dman) and a 2nd was fair value.

Beau + 2nd? I'm not too familair with that Beau so I don't know how he comes to a guy like Pettersson. Basically, a decent prospect + 2nd. Or the equivalent of 2 2nds. This is based on recent trades for guys like Chiarot and Tanev.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Most posters thought a deal of Pettersson for Elias Pettersson (the young dman) and a 2nd was fair value.

Beau + 2nd? I'm not too familair with that Beau so I don't know how he comes to a guy like Pettersson. Basically, a decent prospect + 2nd. Or the equivalent of 2 2nds. This is based on recent trades for guys like Chiarot and Tanev.

I know the Oilers are high on Beau - or they were a year ago anyway. I expect he is available though, so a 2nd and Beau Akey is likely a fair price. Better than the teams that want a 1st and a top prospect, and more, more more, ha ha ha. I'd be hesitant because Akey is a RD and we've needed a RD like him for years, but I do think Bowman would make him available. If I were Bowman, I'd probably be looking more for a 1 for 1, or maybe having the Oilers add a smaller piece than a 2nd onto the deal. I wouldn't be surprised if they value Akey at two 2nds himself. But I'm not the GM, and nitpicking these deals isn't what I'm paid to do, ha ha.

 

[SEALBound]

I know the Oilers are high on Beau - or they were a year ago anyway. I expect he is available though, so a 2nd and Beau Akey is likely a fair price. Better than the teams that want a 1st and a top prospect, and more, more more, ha ha ha. I'd be hesitant because Akey is a RD and we've needed a RD like him for years, but I do think Bowman would make him available. If I were Bowman, I'd probably be looking more for a 1 for 1, or maybe having the Oilers add a smaller piece than a 2nd onto the deal. I wouldn't be surprised if they value Akey at two 2nds himself. But I'm not the GM, and nitpicking these deals isn't what I'm paid to do, ha ha.

1:1 for UFA rentals are really hard unless you intend to resign the UFA and the piece going back has actual value. That being the case, I don't see anything that works between Pit and Edm. It also goes against what Dubas is prioritizing: Young players, draft picks, roster players - in that order.

 

[ManofSteel55]

1:1 for UFA rentals are really hard unless you intend to resign the UFA and the piece going back has actual value. That being the case, I don't see anything that works between Pit and Edm. It also goes against what Dubas is prioritizing: Young players, draft picks, roster players - in that order.

I was under the impression that Dubas wanted marinated prospects. Guys who have been developed a few years. I think the 2 sides could work something out if the starting offer was your offer.

EDIT - also, 1 for 1 was in reference to Akey, but in retrospect, that's silly. Of course the price for a good 2nd pair defenseman should be a good prospect and a 2nd. That's fair.

 

[TheNumber4]

Kane is a cap dump for us. If he gets surgery and comes back fine, he'd be an okay addition to the forward. If not, LTIRetire. He might do well enough to get flipped at the next year TDL.

After this year, IIRC, Karlsson's actual salary takes a big hit too. Many of us suspect he will be a good trade target to a team looking to compete once he's on his final year and the signing bonus has been paid.

Given what he can still do offensively, I think that evens out the questionable defensive side but that brings up an interesting point - what are you wanting? If you want a PPQB and PMD on the 2RD, he's your man. Pair him with defensively responsible guy and have at it. Pettersson-Karlsson is regularly our best pairing. I would imagine in a better defensive system surround by better players, the highlights on defensive lapses would go down.

I don't think a trade with major retention would necessarily be off the table but I think you have bridge a gap in "missed value" that we might not get if we can't retain on a guy like Pettersson. We have used 2 retention slots and have 1 left. If this was next year when the other two open up, it would be different. So this year, it's a little tougher for us which is why I recommended what I did.

I'm not sure if Dubas is looking to recover from the trade necessarily. A big part of that trade was dumping a bunch of guys that didn't fit with the Penguins - Granlund, Petry, Rutta, CDS. So part of the trade was paying to get rid of some crap.

Yes that would be the exact bet I'm making. That in a better defensive system (Knoblauch is a defensive wizard as a Coach) surrounded by a team that's bought in, EK65's defensive warts can be lessened. Nurse-Karlsson would be the pairing, and I think Nurse can be a better stand-in for Pettersson in that role. Although Pettersson is a good defensive D too and still their metrics are pretty bad defensively.

On Petterson, I think $4M is appropriate for what he brings. If a team wants a Top 4 Left hand D, that price point isn't out of the ball park. If you take a Cap dump in, teams can likely fit him in without retention. With retention slots free-ing up next year, it may not be as much a hurdle as you think.

On the original Karlsson deal that's how I saw it too. You dumped a bunch of bad cap hits on the Sharks who Grier hopes to revive and get value for. If those cap dumps can then be parlayed in 1st Round Pick(s) and Prospect(s), Dubas would be ahead.

So let's take a look at the original deal in a nutshell:

Pittsburgh sent:
2024 first-round pick
Mikael Granlund (2x$5M Cap Dump)
Jan Rutta (2x$2.75M Cap Dump)
Mike Hoffman (1x$4.75 Cap Dump)
2025 Second-round pick to Montreal
Legare to Montreal (Nothing prospect)
DeSmith to Montreal (Backup Goalie)

Pittsburgh got EK65 @ $10M + Third Round Pick + Pitlick (Nothing Prospect) + Hamuliak (Nothing Prospect).

I would offer for EK65 @ $5M:
2026 first-round pick (From the Oilers)
2025 second-round pick (From the Blues)
2025 third-round pick (From the Blues)
Beau Akey (Good Trending 2nd Round Pick Prospect)
Troy Stecher (Decent RH 3rd Pair PMD)
And for the retention, based on the costs to dump Walman and Ceci this year, an additional:
2026 second-round pick (From the Oilers)
2026 third-round pick (From the Oilers)

Dubas comes out way ahead in his Rebuild and gets a bit for a retool too.

*I should add, I do not represent the general interests of the Oilers fanbase, I get mostly laughed at for my interest in EK65, with most thinking he's too much of a defensive liability to be relied on in the playoffs. I believe in Karlsson though, so thus the pretty sizeable offer IMO*

 

[glenngineer]

The Oilers SHOULD be looking for the following.

1) 2nd pair defenseman, ideally a right shot, but doesn't have to be, as long as he can play right side - to play with Nurse. Troy Stecher is a fine (albeit undersized) defenseman, but he shouldn't be on a starting top six heading into the playoffs. I wonder if Luke Schenn might be an answer to this riddle Edmonton seems to always face. He's not a long term option of course, but could be a good upgrade for this year.
2) Goalie upgrade - There aren't many goalies out there, and nobody who is a huge upgrade on Skinner that doesn't come with a cap hit we likely don't want to deal with, so I'm hoping that Edmonton can make a move for one of Utah's goalie's. I've like Karel Vejmelka for years, but he's having another great year and looks like he may be the better option for UHC to hang on to long term. I'd be interested in Connor Ingram as well, but he's struggled this year. He was solid last season though, so maybe he can rebound. Part of me is interested in the rebound possibility of John Gibson, but that's a hefty gamble even at 50% cap hit.
3) physical depth defenseman - mostly this is me hoping for a Josh Brown upgrade prior to the playoffs, even if he is our #7/8 ideally.
4) 4C faceoff specialist - this is less important due to our depth at forward, but I wouldn't mind trading for a 3C who we can play as our 4C.


This wouldn't shock me, but I hope it doesn't happen. Stecher has been just as good beside Nurse as Ceci has been in the past. We need someone better than Ceci.

At one point, Nashville had all the pieces you are looking for: Saros, Schenn, Sissons and Fabbro or Carrier before we moved on from them. If Trotz wasn't a moron and had kept Askarov and not given Saros his long term deal, we might have made ideal trading partners. Hoping you guys win one for Ekholm!!

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

I don't know what is supposed to mean. Certainly Edmonton fans weren't aware Kane planned to go under the knife to fix his knee. He is still recuperating from his abdominal surgery. He hadn't been

on the ice yet.i

Kane was quite clear he did the surgerie now to avoid increasing the timeline instead of waiting awhile and making things clear for Stan.
Kane has future earning potential and his passion to play ASAP as his goal and is still targeting sometime in February.

He may very well not play but the oilers likely won't have a clear answer anytime soon which could limit them if their rivals try to jumpstart the trades to take advantage of that.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Justin Faulk is available. We can eat a little for a better draft pick..

Faulk would veto any trade to Canada.

 

[TFHockey]

Kane was quite clear he did the surgerie now to avoid increasing the timeline instead of waiting awhile and making things clear for Stan.
Kane has future earning potential and his passion to play ASAP as his goal and is still targeting sometime in February.

He may very well not play but the oilers likely won't have a clear answer anytime soon which could limit them if their rivals try to jumpstart the trades to take advantage of that.

Yeah there is a lot of speculation as to Kane's actual timeline. He doesn't think this surgery will delay his return. Bowman seems to agree. However every media person in Edmonton doubts Kane will return before the playoffs.

So who really knows? Kane is not skating yet and it's January. Back in the line up by February? I have my doubts about that. Plus he'll probably need a conditioning stint in Bakersfield.

Edit: I should add that there seems to be some traction to the rumor Edmonton is looking at Marcus Pettersson. He's a LHD but he'd make a nice add on the back end.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Most posters thought a deal of Pettersson for Elias Pettersson (the young dman) and a 2nd was fair value.

Beau + 2nd? I'm not too familair with that Beau so I don't know how he comes to a guy like Pettersson. Basically, a decent prospect + 2nd. Or the equivalent of 2 2nds. This is based on recent trades for guys like Chiarot and Tanev.

Akey + 2nd for MP is a lot lower than I thought the cost would be.

The Oil do need another C though, and one of Lizotte or Acciari would be a nice piece for a Cup run. What would need to be added to get one of them, preferably with retention?

 

[ManofSteel55]

At one point, Nashville had all the pieces you are looking for: Saros, Schenn, Sissons and Fabbro or Carrier before we moved on from them. If Trotz wasn't a moron and had kept Askarov and not given Saros his long term deal, we might have made ideal trading partners. Hoping you guys win one for Ekholm!!

I have thought about this numerous times. I mean, I'll still take Schenn off your hands if we can't land a top end defenseman. I really wish we were able to snag Fabbro from you guys before he hit waivers, but the cap wasn't going to work out, sadly.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah there is a lot of speculation as to Kane's actual timeline. He doesn't think this surgery will delay his return. Bowman seems to agree. However every media person in Edmonton doubts Kane will return before the playoffs.

So who really knows? Kane is not skating yet and it's January. Back in the line up by February? I have my doubts about that. Plus he'll probably need a conditioning stint in Bakersfield.

Edit: I should add that there seems to be some traction to the rumor Edmonton is looking at Marcus Pettersson. He's a LHD but he'd make a nice add on the back end.

February is only two weeks away. I think given the recency of his knee surgery, and the fact that he wasn't fully rehabbed from his abdominal surgery, its pretty safe to say that he won't be back for February. I think its fair for you to have doubts about February. Karius suggested that this surgery will give the Oilers all the evidence they need to keep Kane on LTIR for the remainder of the regular season. I don't know if Karius actually has connections now or not, or if he is just some talking head musing about it like the rest of us, but that's one perspective. Kane and Bowman thinking it won't "delay" his return is still true if the plan all along was to wait until the playoffs to return. Thinking logically about it, Kane's game is a power game, even if his injuries are healed, you'd think it would be best for his performance to get some time on the weights in before he actually plays a game.

 

[ManofSteel55]

One frustrating part of our defense scenario, is that arguably the best available piece out there to fill the whole we have on Nurse's pair, is a player our players all hate, who hates us, and whose management certainly would rather keep him than trade him to us, even if he is available to other teams. Rasmus Anderson for roughly the same value return as we paid for Ekholm would make so much sense -, minus the Barrie cap dump of course - but there's no way in hell Conroy trades him to Edmonton. We might even be on his no trade list, ha ha.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Definitely not “unexpected” news about Kane.

The whole hockey world knew these surgeries were strategically planned

How dare you!

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Yes that would be the exact bet I'm making. That in a better defensive system (Knoblauch is a defensive wizard as a Coach) surrounded by a team that's bought in, EK65's defensive warts can be lessened. Nurse-Karlsson would be the pairing, and I think Nurse can be a better stand-in for Pettersson in that role. Although Pettersson is a good defensive D too and still their metrics are pretty bad defensively.

On Petterson, I think $4M is appropriate for what he brings. If a team wants a Top 4 Left hand D, that price point isn't out of the ball park. If you take a Cap dump in, teams can likely fit him in without retention. With retention slots free-ing up next year, it may not be as much a hurdle as you think.

On the original Karlsson deal that's how I saw it too. You dumped a bunch of bad cap hits on the Sharks who Grier hopes to revive and get value for. If those cap dumps can then be parlayed in 1st Round Pick(s) and Prospect(s), Dubas would be ahead.

So let's take a look at the original deal in a nutshell:

Pittsburgh sent:
2024 first-round pick
Mikael Granlund (2x$5M Cap Dump)
Jan Rutta (2x$2.75M Cap Dump)
Mike Hoffman (1x$4.75 Cap Dump)
2025 Second-round pick to Montreal
Legare to Montreal (Nothing prospect)
DeSmith to Montreal (Backup Goalie)

Pittsburgh got EK65 @ $10M + Third Round Pick + Pitlick (Nothing Prospect) + Hamuliak (Nothing Prospect).

I would offer for EK65 @ $5M:
2026 first-round pick (From the Oilers)
2025 second-round pick (From the Blues)
2025 third-round pick (From the Blues)
Beau Akey (Good Trending 2nd Round Pick Prospect)
Troy Stecher (Decent RH 3rd Pair PMD)
And for the retention, based on the costs to dump Walman and Ceci this year, an additional:
2026 second-round pick (From the Oilers)
2026 third-round pick (From the Oilers)

Dubas comes out way ahead in his Rebuild and gets a bit for a retool too.

*I should add, I do not represent the general interests of the Oilers fanbase, I get mostly laughed at for my interest in EK65, with most thinking he's too much of a defensive liability to be relied on in the playoffs. I believe in Karlsson though, so thus the pretty sizeable offer IMO*

I'm down for that, he's been fantastic this year and i want to see him win a cup. Certainly not happening on an ancient pens team. Could put the Oilers over the top as well.

He can be a liability at times but he is still a big time talent and difference maker. It will be even more apparent on a team with prime stars instead of old ones.

 

[TheNumber4]

I'm down for that, he's been fantastic this year and i want to see him win a cup. Certainly not happening on an ancient pens team. Could put the Oilers over the top as well.

He can be a liability at times but he is still a big time talent and difference maker. It will be even more apparent on a team with prime stars instead of old ones.

HUZZAH. We have a deal!

What's the sentiments of the Pens fanbase in general, think they would accept as well? And do you think Dubas would move on from him at the TDL for a deal like this?