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With the unexpected news about Evander Kane and his knee surgery the Oilers look like they might have his entire $5.125 Million salary on LTIR all the way until the playoffs.

There are conflicting reports as to the deadline on his return but several local pundits bet on Kane staying out until the playoffs.

So the question is what will the Oilers do? They still need (IMHO) an upgrade in goal and a mid pairing right shot defenseman.

They can't go big game hunting because they really don't have a ton of assets. So of the options available, who do ya got?
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TFHockey said:
With the unexpected news about Evander Kane and his knee surgery the Oilers look like they might have his entire $5.125 Million salary on LTIR all the way until the playoffs.

There are conflicting reports as to the deadline on his return but several local pundits bet on Kane staying out until the playoffs.

So the question is what will the Oilers do? They still need (IMHO) an upgrade in goal and a mid pairing right shot defenseman.

They can't go big game hunting because they really don't have a ton of assets. So of the options available, who do ya got?
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Lol, this isn't the NHL front offices.
 
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The Oilers SHOULD be looking for the following.

1) 2nd pair defenseman, ideally a right shot, but doesn't have to be, as long as he can play right side - to play with Nurse. Troy Stecher is a fine (albeit undersized) defenseman, but he shouldn't be on a starting top six heading into the playoffs. I wonder if Luke Schenn might be an answer to this riddle Edmonton seems to always face. He's not a long term option of course, but could be a good upgrade for this year.
2) Goalie upgrade - There aren't many goalies out there, and nobody who is a huge upgrade on Skinner that doesn't come with a cap hit we likely don't want to deal with, so I'm hoping that Edmonton can make a move for one of Utah's goalie's. I've like Karel Vejmelka for years, but he's having another great year and looks like he may be the better option for UHC to hang on to long term. I'd be interested in Connor Ingram as well, but he's struggled this year. He was solid last season though, so maybe he can rebound. Part of me is interested in the rebound possibility of John Gibson, but that's a hefty gamble even at 50% cap hit.
3) physical depth defenseman - mostly this is me hoping for a Josh Brown upgrade prior to the playoffs, even if he is our #7/8 ideally.
4) 4C faceoff specialist - this is less important due to our depth at forward, but I wouldn't mind trading for a 3C who we can play as our 4C.

Pinkfloyd said:
You guys want Ceci back? Would take a 3rd.
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This wouldn't shock me, but I hope it doesn't happen. Stecher has been just as good beside Nurse as Ceci has been in the past. We need someone better than Ceci.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
The Oilers SHOULD be looking for the following.

1) 2nd pair defenseman, ideally a right shot, but doesn't have to be, as long as he can play right side - to play with Nurse. Troy Stecher is a fine (albeit undersized) defenseman, but he shouldn't be on a starting top six heading into the playoffs. I wonder if Luke Schenn might be an answer to this riddle Edmonton seems to always face. He's not a long term option of course, but could be a good upgrade for this year.
2) Goalie upgrade - There aren't many goalies out there, and nobody who is a huge upgrade on Skinner that doesn't come with a cap hit we likely don't want to deal with, so I'm hoping that Edmonton can make a move for one of Utah's goalie's. I've like Karel Vejmelka for years, but he's having another great year and looks like he may be the better option for UHC to hang on to long term. I'd be interested in Connor Ingram as well, but he's struggled this year. He was solid last season though, so maybe he can rebound. Part of me is interested in the rebound possibility of John Gibson, but that's a hefty gamble even at 50% cap hit.
3) physical depth defenseman - mostly this is me hoping for a Josh Brown upgrade prior to the playoffs, even if he is our #7/8 ideally.
4) 4C faceoff specialist - this is less important due to our depth at forward, but I wouldn't mind trading for a 3C who we can play as our 4C.


This wouldn't shock me, but I hope it doesn't happen. Stecher has been just as good beside Nurse as Ceci has been in the past. We need someone better than Ceci.
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Understandable to want someone better than Ceci. If you're looking for a 4C faceoff specialist, Nico Sturm should be available as a rental for like a 4th or 5th round pick.
 
Pinkfloyd said:
Understandable to want someone better than Ceci. If you're looking for a 4C faceoff specialist, Nico Sturm should be available as a rental for like a 4th or 5th round pick.
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I do. I'm not sure if our management does though. We look set at C with McDavid, Draisaitl, Henrique and Janmark, but I'd prefer to have Janmark as LW and someone a bit better at faceoffs at 4C. Our wing depth is so strong at the moment though that I'm not sure who comes out if Janmark moves over.
 
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ManofSteel55 said:
I do. I'm not sure if our management does though. We look set at C with McDavid, Draisaitl, Henrique and Janmark, but I'd prefer to have Janmark as LW and someone a bit better at faceoffs at 4C. Our wing depth is so strong at the moment though that I'm not sure who comes out if Janmark moves over.
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Is there a particular reason that you feel like Derek Ryan isn't working out for that 4C faceoff role?
 
Pinkfloyd said:
You guys want Ceci back? Would take a 3rd.
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We really, really don't want Ceci back. At any price.

as for the OP, I think Edmonton looks for the following:

Priority 1: 2nd pairing RD
Priority 2: top 6 winger
Priority 3: (if 1 doesn't happen) 3rd pairing puckmoving LD
Priority 4: Calvin Pickard upgrade

1 is pretty self explanatory.
2 isn't, so I'll get into it. Knob hates Jeff Skinner and the wheels are absolutely coming off of RNH 5v5. He's glued to McDavid and is getting outproduced by the likes of Connor Brown and Podkolzin.
3 - if RD prices are too high, Nurse-Kulak has worked pretty well for long stretches as a 2nd pair. We'd then need to create a strong 3rd pair with Emberson on the right side and Stecher as the 7th D.
as for 4, I think management is set with Skinner, even if fans aren't. We need to upgrade Pickard though, he's been pretty humdrum despite getting virtually all of the soft starts, which is harder on Skinner because then he takes all the tough ones.

Pinkfloyd said:
Is there a particular reason that you feel like Derek Ryan isn't working out for that 4C faceoff role?
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It's a pretty straightforward reason - he's cooked. His boots are gone and he's having a hard time keeping up with the play. We also have a young guy, Noah Philp, who's much bigger and faster pushing in the AHL for his job
 
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Pinkfloyd said:
Is there a particular reason that you feel like Derek Ryan isn't working out for that 4C faceoff role?
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He's lost a few steps in terms of his footspeed. He's such a smart player, but it looks like his physical tools are starting to slip a bit. I'd much rather have him available as an injury fill in, than as a day in, day out player at this point.

EDIT - ChaoticOrange beat me to it. I was trying to be nice, but CO is on the money.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
We really, really don't want Ceci back. At any price.

as for the OP, I think Edmonton looks for the following:

Priority 1: 2nd pairing RD
Priority 2: top 6 winger
Priority 3: (if 1 doesn't happen) 3rd pairing puckmoving LD
Priority 4: Calvin Pickard upgrade

1 is pretty self explanatory.
2 isn't, so I'll get into it. Knob hates Jeff Skinner and the wheels are absolutely coming off of RNH 5v5. He's glued to McDavid and is getting outproduced by the likes of Connor Brown and Podkolzin.
3 - if RD prices are too high, Nurse-Kulak has worked pretty well for long stretches as a 2nd pair. We'd then need to create a strong 3rd pair with Emberson on the right side and Stecher as the 7th D.
as for 4, I think management is set with Skinner, even if fans aren't. We need to upgrade Pickard though, he's been pretty humdrum despite getting virtually all of the soft starts, which is harder on Skinner because then he takes all the tough ones.


It's a pretty straightforward reason - he's cooked. His boots are gone and he's having a hard time keeping up with the play. We also have a young guy, Noah Philp, who's much bigger and faster pushing in the AHL for his job
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Makes sense as it relates to Ceci. You typically don't pay a 3rd to get rid of a guy that you'll pay to bring back. Would you want Sturm for a 5th in '26 then?
 
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ManofSteel55 said:
The Oilers SHOULD be looking for the following.

1) 2nd pair defenseman, ideally a right shot, but doesn't have to be, as long as he can play right side - to play with Nurse. Troy Stecher is a fine (albeit undersized) defenseman, but he shouldn't be on a starting top six heading into the playoffs. I wonder if Luke Schenn might be an answer to this riddle Edmonton seems to always face. He's not a long term option of course, but could be a good upgrade for this year.
2) Goalie upgrade - There aren't many goalies out there, and nobody who is a huge upgrade on Skinner that doesn't come with a cap hit we likely don't want to deal with, so I'm hoping that Edmonton can make a move for one of Utah's goalie's. I've like Karel Vejmelka for years, but he's having another great year and looks like he may be the better option for UHC to hang on to long term. I'd be interested in Connor Ingram as well, but he's struggled this year. He was solid last season though, so maybe he can rebound. Part of me is interested in the rebound possibility of John Gibson, but that's a hefty gamble even at 50% cap hit.
3) physical depth defenseman - mostly this is me hoping for a Josh Brown upgrade prior to the playoffs, even if he is our #7/8 ideally.
4) 4C faceoff specialist - this is less important due to our depth at forward, but I wouldn't mind trading for a 3C who we can play as our 4C.


This wouldn't shock me, but I hope it doesn't happen. Stecher has been just as good beside Nurse as Ceci has been in the past. We need someone better than Ceci.
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Evans and Savard are good depth center and RD options for the Oilers. Not sure how much Evans is asking for an extension but something tells me he is after a 5 year deal and the Habs can only offer 3 years in term.

Evans is a very solid 200' center who is very good on faceoffs. Savard on the bottom pairing is a perfect spot for him IMO. Both have playoff experience and know what they got to bring to the table for the team.
 
Captain Mountain said:
We still don't know if Kane will be back or not prior to the playoffs.

And what's the speculation? That the Oilers will go small/medium game hunting at the deadline? They were going to do that regardless.
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Local media speculates Kane is out until the playoffs. That's the speculation. They might actually have the cap room to make something happen.

Pinkfloyd said:
You guys want Ceci back? Would take a 3rd.
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Oh gawd. No.

ChaoticOrange said:
We really, really don't want Ceci back. At any price.

as for the OP, I think Edmonton looks for the following:

Priority 1: 2nd pairing RD
Priority 2: top 6 winger
Priority 3: (if 1 doesn't happen) 3rd pairing puckmoving LD
Priority 4: Calvin Pickard upgrade

1 is pretty self explanatory.
2 isn't, so I'll get into it. Knob hates Jeff Skinner and the wheels are absolutely coming off of RNH 5v5. He's glued to McDavid and is getting outproduced by the likes of Connor Brown and Podkolzin.
3 - if RD prices are too high, Nurse-Kulak has worked pretty well for long stretches as a 2nd pair. We'd then need to create a strong 3rd pair with Emberson on the right side and Stecher as the 7th D.
as for 4, I think management is set with Skinner, even if fans aren't. We need to upgrade Pickard though, he's been pretty humdrum despite getting virtually all of the soft starts, which is harder on Skinner because then he takes all the tough ones.


It's a pretty straightforward reason - he's cooked. His boots are gone and he's having a hard time keeping up with the play. We also have a young guy, Noah Philp, who's much bigger and faster pushing in the AHL for his job
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I read Lowetide's piece on RNH and I was dismayed at what he wrote. Nuge has to step it up. He can't have a season like this. So you're right, a top six winger. UGH.

And yeah Noah Philp should already be in the NHL. It's a shame that Derek Ryan is taking up his roster spot.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Evans and Savard are good depth center and RD options for the Oilers. Not sure how much Evans is asking for an extension but something tells me he is after a 5 year deal and the Habs can only offer 3 years in term.

Evans is a very solid 200' center who is very good on faceoffs. Savard on the bottom pairing is a perfect spot for him IMO. Both have playoff experience and know what they got to bring to the table for the team.
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Evans is solid and Edmonton should be interested. Not for the prices Habs fans want though.

Savard isn't needed or wanted. Emberson is doing a solid job as 3RD for us and playing a lot of PK. We also have Stecher as another 3RD. We need guys that can play higher in the lineup and that isn't 2025 Savard.

Pinkfloyd said:
Makes sense as it relates to Ceci. You typically don't pay a 3rd to get rid of a guy that you'll pay to bring back. Would you want Sturm for a 5th in '26 then?
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I like Sturm. He'd be a good option at 4C, plus having another German would be cool.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
We really, really don't want Ceci back. At any price.

as for the OP, I think Edmonton looks for the following:

Priority 1: 2nd pairing RD
Priority 2: top 6 winger
Priority 3: (if 1 doesn't happen) 3rd pairing puckmoving LD
Priority 4: Calvin Pickard upgrade

1 is pretty self explanatory.
2 isn't, so I'll get into it. Knob hates Jeff Skinner and the wheels are absolutely coming off of RNH 5v5. He's glued to McDavid and is getting outproduced by the likes of Connor Brown and Podkolzin.
3 - if RD prices are too high, Nurse-Kulak has worked pretty well for long stretches as a 2nd pair. We'd then need to create a strong 3rd pair with Emberson on the right side and Stecher as the 7th D.
as for 4, I think management is set with Skinner, even if fans aren't. We need to upgrade Pickard though, he's been pretty humdrum despite getting virtually all of the soft starts, which is harder on Skinner because then he takes all the tough ones.


It's a pretty straightforward reason - he's cooked. His boots are gone and he's having a hard time keeping up with the play. We also have a young guy, Noah Philp, who's much bigger and faster pushing in the AHL for his job
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Unfortunately none of those are actually on the market as rentals
 
Ideally the Oilers get a goalie but I doubt it. Skinner is so overrated by Edmonton fans and media. People praising a goalie that has an under .900 save percentage halfway though the season on a Cup contending team. Definitely a d-man that can play the right side on the second pairing. They also do need a center, even if he is just a 4th line center that can skill penalties, win faceoffs, and has some speed and grit. Maybe Philp from the minors could fill that spot.
 
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ChaoticOrange said:
We really, really don't want Ceci back. At any price.

as for the OP, I think Edmonton looks for the following:

Priority 1: 2nd pairing RD
Priority 2: top 6 winger
Priority 3: (if 1 doesn't happen) 3rd pairing puckmoving LD
Priority 4: Calvin Pickard upgrade

1 is pretty self explanatory.
2 isn't, so I'll get into it. Knob hates Jeff Skinner and the wheels are absolutely coming off of RNH 5v5. He's glued to McDavid and is getting outproduced by the likes of Connor Brown and Podkolzin.
3 - if RD prices are too high, Nurse-Kulak has worked pretty well for long stretches as a 2nd pair. We'd then need to create a strong 3rd pair with Emberson on the right side and Stecher as the 7th D.
as for 4, I think management is set with Skinner, even if fans aren't. We need to upgrade Pickard though, he's been pretty humdrum despite getting virtually all of the soft starts, which is harder on Skinner because then he takes all the tough ones.


It's a pretty straightforward reason - he's cooked. His boots are gone and he's having a hard time keeping up with the play. We also have a young guy, Noah Philp, who's much bigger and faster pushing in the AHL for his job
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ChaoticOrange said:
God he scares the crap out of me. I know he's been decent lately but he and Nurse would be such a tire fire haha
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I could absolutely see them both encouraging each other's worst instincts, yeah. I just want the Flyers to actually make some moves in the direction of getting younger, and moving Risto while he's finally showing some measurable grasp on the "defense" part of "defenseman" is a great place to start there.
 
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TFHockey said:
Local media speculates Kane is out until the playoffs. That's the speculation. They might actually have the cap room to make something happen.



Oh gawd. No.



I read Lowetide's piece on RNH and I was dismayed at what he wrote. Nuge has to step it up. He can't have a season like this. So you're right, a top six winger. UGH.

And yeah Noah Philp should already be in the NHL. It's a shame that Derek Ryan is taking up his roster spot.
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I am hoping the reason Philp is not in the NHL right now is because he didn't play last season and they want to give him lots of minutes in the AHL rather then play on the 4th line with the Oilers and only play 8 minutes a game. Maybe he gets called up later in the season to finish the year on the Oilers.
 
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