Proposal: Edm - tb

[CupsOverCash]

Yeah. This kills the deal for me. We'd lose a good player to Vegas having to protect Flippula.

Well maybe you can make it contingent on Filppula waiving his protection from expansion. It's not a guarantee that Vegas would take him even if unprotected. He only has one year left on his deal after this season. Maybe you can flip him after this season.

 

[snipes]

'Flip' would also cost us a valuable player from our defense at the expansion draft. And considering we're trying to fix that, adding another center doesn't seem too high on the to do list.

It would let us move Drai to wing. Versteeg at wing on the 3rd line.

Lets Caggiula and Pulju start in the AHL together on the 1st line (they showed good chemistry).

But as noted, the expansion draft protection means we likely lose Davidson which I don't think any of us want.

 

[snipes]

Well maybe you can make it contingent on Filppula waiving his protection from expansion. It's not a guarantee that Vegas would take him even if unprotected. He only has one year left on his deal after this season. Maybe you can flip him after this season.

If it were contingent on him waiving protection from the expansion draft, I would file the paperwork right now and we would breakout the scotch.

 

[belair]

Honest question to Tampa fans...

Is Valtteri Filppula regressing?

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

TB definitely does this.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I don't mind the idea of having Filppula on the team as he is a useful player and could help the PK, but at $5M for 2 years and with an NMC going into the expansion draft and him having two successive seasons with a substantial drop in offensive production, his value is negative IMO. The amount of suitors for him will assuredly be extremely limited and his presence on the team with respect to contract and cap-hit is a direct hindrance to Tampa Bay's ability to keep the core pieces of their team together.

I'm fine with retaining on Yak for a better return, but Filppula is not that return. Getting just a 3rd round pick back for Yak would be preferable to Filppula. Also while I get the OP's idea in that it makes the Oilers a better team in the now and quite frankly it does, but given the parameters of the expansion draft there are for sure going to be some quality defenders made available prior to the expansion draft and not having the flexibility to protect 4 defenders if something should arise could really hurt us in costing us an opportunity to do a far more substantive improvement to the team. We might go the 7F 3D format or the 4F & 4D format, but the flexibility to change based on circumstance and how the year plays out is an asset onto itself.

 

[tinfish]

Well maybe you can make it contingent on Filppula waiving his protection from expansion. It's not a guarantee that Vegas would take him even if unprotected. He only has one year left on his deal after this season. Maybe you can flip him after this season.

I wouldn't care about losing Flippula to waivers. We wouldn't protect Yakupov anyway. I don't know if we can ask him to then waive his nmc for expansion. If he didn't waive we would completely lose the ability to go 4 and 4 because we then have to expose one of Eberle, Nuge, or Draisaitl. My hope is that Chia adds a top 4 rd some time during the season. We can't do that with another nmc up front.

 

[rockinghockey]

Why would EDM need a 3C that makes 5 mil. We are doing atB a favour they need to give us something

 

[TampaJay]

Honest question to Tampa fans...

Is Valtteri Filppula regressing?

He just went through three playoffs rounds this spring as 2C when Stamkos was out. But yes, his goal scoring has regressed but this is more due to mindset than age, and maybe playing more of a shutdown role. Just ask Detroit fans even when he was young… Filppula just refuses to shoot the puck. He is a pass first playmaker to a fault. But honestly, he is a solid defensive 3C who can move up if needed. He is in great shape with no lingering injuries. If you could rewire his brain you could get 20 goals out of him because he actually has a nice shot and a 13.2% career shooting average. Also, just a good all-around guy

 

[DJN21]

Doesn't flip lose his no movement clause if he waives for Edmonton anyways? You would've have to protect him and could still protect Davidson anyways if he can turn in another half year of good hockey.

 

[belair]

Doesn't flip lose his no movement clause if he waives for Edmonton anyways? You would've have to protect him and could still protect Davidson anyways if he can turn in another half year of good hockey.

No, he doesn't.

 

[DJN21]

No, he doesn't.

Do those clauses all work differently...honest question. When bogosian was moved he lost his and I've heard/read that if a player waives it can cancel their clause out. Doesn't make sense that a team who didn't sign the contract has to honor the ntc part...

 

[belair]

Do those clauses all work differently...honest question. When bogosian was moved he lost his and I've heard/read that if a player waives it can cancel their clause out. Doesn't make sense that a team who didn't sign the contract has to honor the ntc part...

Bogosian still has a NMC.

The only time a team has a choice is when they trade for a player before the clause goes into effect. IE. the PK Subban trade.

 

[tinfish]

Doesn't flip lose his no movement clause if he waives for Edmonton anyways? You would've have to protect him and could still protect Davidson anyways if he can turn in another half year of good hockey.

Losing Davidson is less of a concern to me than having room to add someone better. If we find someone better we have to expose him anyway.

 

[McJC]

Do those clauses all work differently...honest question. When bogosian was moved he lost his and I've heard/read that if a player waives it can cancel their clause out. Doesn't make sense that a team who didn't sign the contract has to honor the ntc part...

Bogosian was traded during the 2014/2015 season. His NMC hadn't kicked in then, therefore there was nothing to waive.

 

[DJN21]

Bogosian still has a NMC.

The only time a team has a choice is when they trade for a player before the clause goes into effect. IE. the PK Subban trade.

Our GM has stated that he doesnt.

Thanks to the user below for clarifying though.

 

[DFC]

TB takes this and runs.

And it's not a bad deal for Edmonton either. Filppula is a great character guy. Part of the reason he was brought to TB was to teach all our kids to play "the right way." Unfortunately, his scoring has dried up to the point where he's not worth anything close to his contract, but he's still a solid defensive player who leads by example. Probably a guy Edmonton would want around right now, and his contract would end around the time (I'm guessing) you'd need the cap space.

 

[DFC]

Honest question to Tampa fans...

Is Valtteri Filppula regressing?

When he first came to TB, he was exactly what the doctor ordered. But his play has slipped more and more as guys overtake him on the depth chart. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt, you can say the way he plays is dictated by his role. And that might be true, because I don't see anything physically different than three years ago. But the scoring has dried up, and he doesn't seem as creative.

 

[LTIR]

Or Drai can just play C like he has been doing...Caggiula is a good bet for C if Drai for some reason gets moved to RW. oilers dont need to add that contract considering Drai is a RFa, expansion draft and Oilers potentially adding a 6M Dman down the road

 

[tjs*]

As a Lightning fan I'd make this move. I'd even throw in a first if necessary to sweeten the pot. I don't see Yak making our roster but with the net $2.5M in salary going out the door plus the $900k for burying Yak in the AHL we'll be able to resign Kucherov this summer, and Yak's contract expires after this season so he won't screw up our plans for the future.

As far as retaining on Filppula goes (instead of adding a pick), I'm less inclined to do that. Ideally I'd prefer to package Filppula with a first and/or prospect to a team that would take him off our books entirely. That would then allow us to buy out Callahan which in turn gives us at least a chance of keeping our entire top six intact going forward. Retaining on Filppula to move him now, while it would help us sign Kucherov this summer without having to trade a more valuable player, kills our chances of getting out from under his contract entirely. Plus the more we retain on Filppula the better his value becomes, and in that event I would want somebody useful coming Tampa's way rather than Yak.

So basically moving Filppula's contract in full is worth a first and taking on Yak to me, but retaining is probably a no-go unless Edmonton sends us somebody better than Yak.

 

[zar]

The Oilers would go 4/4 at the expansion draft.

Lucic/Eberle/RNH/Draisaitl
Sekera/Larsson/Klefbom/Davidson or Reinhart depending on this year

Filppula is what he is on the ice, but that NMC makes him worth less than dirt to a team trying to protect their players from Las Vagas.

This.

 

[Rschmitz]

This helps us out immensely, and even helps Edmonton. I'd add in something small simply because I think we could turn Yak around and have a lot more to gain.

 

[48g90a138pts]

Edm- Filppula, Spencer

TB- Yakupov, Chase, Platzer

I'd like to see Spencer in this deal to get some RHD prospect depth in our organization.

 

[tjs*]

Edm- Filppula, Spencer

TB- Yakupov, Chase, Platzer

I'd like to see Spencer in this deal to get some RHD prospect depth in our organization.

I'm sure you would but it's not going to happen.

 

[HoseEmDown]

I'm sure you would but it's not going to happen.

So you would trade Filpulla + a 1st like you said in an earlier post but wouldn't make this deal? I'd do this one before that as I don't rate Spencer highly. I would prefer some CHL prospects or ones who are RFA after this year instead of being under contract next year like Chase and Platzer are.

I wouldn't do the deal anyway because I think Filppula has more value than Yakupov.