Proposal: Edm - tb
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It's going to take a lot to get Sustr, Yakupov isn't close at all. The only players that would make sense for us are your last three 1st round pick forwards who are still on the ELC since we could only afford someone making less than Sustr. That doesn't make sense for you though as the value is way off so is a 1st round pick so nothing you have would get Sustr otherwise.
Get real. We aren't giving you by far the two best players in the deal AND taking back a cap dump bust for two AHL grinders. Filppula is overpaid by about $1.5M and Yak is overpaid by at least $1.6M (the amount it would take to drop him to the AHL without affecting his team's cap hit); they're essentially equally overpaid but Filppula has FAR more value as a player.
The only reason we'd even be interested in swapping them straight up in the first place is because we already have a cheaper replacement for Filppula and we value the cap space more than we do getting a quality player in this deal. I'd even be willing to throw in a pick if it was necessary to get the deal done and I couldn't find another taker for Filppula who wouldn't want to send a $2.5M healthy scratch/waiver candidate my way (I'd give up a first to move Flip's contract; Yak has negative value but his contract doesn't hurt us too badly this year or at all after it so the Lightning can absorb it just to get the deal done.) But there's no chance in hell we add a valuable RHD in exchange for two AHL grinders to the mix.
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There is no realistic deal for Filpulla to Edmonton. If we are moving Yak it is because we have enough forwards without him. We wouldn't want a massive contract coming back.
Draiskull
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relax..
Oilers have no need for Filpulla at his price point especially with Cagguila making a case for himself. Would rather waive Yak than pick up a player they dont need.
Filpulla is a huge cap dump no matter how much you guys talk him up. No team is going to do TB a favor and get them out of their cap hell without a huge overpayment. 0 interest in making any move with TB especially picking up 2 yrs of Filpulla unless a "valuable RHD" is added. Shoring up RD is Oilers biggest need.
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It wasnt just Yakupov... It was Yakupov + couple prospects + cap space to sign Kucherov.
Also, shake ur head at the last 3 1st rd forwards comment .. Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Connor friggin McDavid.
If we had another cheap D lined up to fill a bottom pair role, I'd easily trade Sustr to get filppula off the books. Unfortunately, it would probably be too risky.
Tampa can always trade Kucherov and add nothing. Moreover, I bet other teams will be willing to pay pretty well to get Nikita.
Yakupov and the couple of prospects are of no need to use so all we'd get is some cap relief this year and a lot next year. That would help us greatly but we would be hurt on the ice this season as Filppula is the far superior player, you would benefit the most this season having Filppula on the team. We can move less salary than Filppula to fit Kucherov in so we don't have to sell that low on him.
Well there's nothing else worthwhile to us that would make sense if we traded Sustr. We can't afford any of your high priced forwards or defenseman and we don't need any LD so the only cheap options you have are your last 3 picks.
Because we have an organizational shortage at RHD. We can afford to give up a first to move Filppula's contract, and we can even toss in a B forward prospect or take back a cap dump like Yak that expires after this season and is small enough to still allow us to sign Kucherov. But with our cap situation once we get our core signed we're going to be dependent on young players with cheap contracts who can step up and replace the non-core players who eventually price themselves off of our team, so we must guard such players jealously.
After next summer we should have most if not all of our top six set for years to come: Stamkos, the Triplets, Drouin, and Killorn. We'll probably have to lose one of them to the cap but we should hopefully be able to keep five of the six. Then there's Point who will likely fill the last spot in the top six within the next couple of years, Namestnikov who also might step up his game, and the likes of Erne, Howden, and possibly Gusev waiting in the wings who might eventually replace someone either lost to injury or traded to strengthen the defense. In short we're in pretty good shape at forward; we don't have a lot of prospects with top six potential but we don't really need that many at the moment given all the young talent already playing in Tampa.
Where we're going to have problems is on the blue line, particularly on the right side. Hedman has the 1D spot locked up, barring further injury or decline Stralman should hopefully hold down the 2D spot for at least a few more years, and Koekkoek will eventually make a fine second-pairing defenseman, but after that things get really shaky. Garrison will be trade or expansion bait after this season, Coburn is getting up there in years and looked horrible against the Pens, and Sustr will either become expendable if he doesn't continue to improve or possibly price himself off the team if he does. I'm comfortable with Hedman and Koekkoek as our eventual #1 and #2 LD going forward and we also have Masin who could eventually make an impact on the left as well, but on the right we have a guy coming off a major injury in Stralman, a guy who might be beginning to decline in Coburn, and a major question mark in Sustr. In short we simply can't afford to throw away young right-handed defensemen with potential, and especially not for such a useless return.
Yak is also a cap dump no matter how much you guys talk him up, but unlike Filppula he has essentially zero value as a player even when you don't consider his contract. If you don't need or want Filppula that's fine, but giving you a quality 3C and penalty killer who can also play 2C in a pinch in exchange for an equally overpaid bust of a forward who wouldn't even make our NHL roster is already a "huge overpayment".
Can't see much upside for Edmonton here. Would need a rhd in the mix. All Edmonton did was increase cap.
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If Yakupov is nothing to you then how about we switch him for Lander. Lander is one of the best faceoff guys in the league, is gritty and kills penalties. We really dont need Filpulla and his salary since Lander can play the 3C role for 4M per yr cheaper if for some reason Draisaitl or Caggiula arent playing C.
Not at all. Spencer plays a position of key organizational need and will have two years of development time on whoever would be taken with our 2017 first. Value-wise we're talking about a probable low first versus a player who was a mid second. The low first does give you a better chance of catching a high potential player who drops further than expected, and there's also the possibility (however unlikely) that the Lightning have a horrible season and the pick turns out to be better than we think it will be. But when you're talking about filling a need at defense I'll take my chances with the mid second rounder with two additional years of development over (assuming we draft a defenseman with the pick to take Spencer's place) a guy who wouldn't be in a position to help us until the core players we're extending are halfway through their contracts. Simply put I'd rather sacrifice half a round of value for someone who is more likely to be in a position to help us while our Cup window is still open.
I'd trade Spencer for a 3rd round pick right now. Just because he was a 2nd round pick doesn't mean he's that good. Not sure what you see in him to expect him to be helping the core when their cup window is open. Not sure how or why we signed him to an ELC already, when someone like Joseph hasn't been, he has been very underwhelming in the OHL, rookie tournaments and preseason games. He's got a long way to go before he comes close to sniffing an NHL call up.
