Confirmed Trade: [EDM/STL] Yakupov for Zach Pochiro + Cndl 2017 3rd (becomes 2018 2nd if Yak hits 15G)
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Okay, what value was Chiarelli supposed to get for Yakupov? Would you have traded Ghost or Simmonds for him, being that his pedigree as a first overall is somehow still relevant four years later?
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So when a top drafted player doesn't pan out its solely on the management but when top drafted players do work out it has nothing to do with the management? Huh? Davidson was a 4th round pick who's been brought along slowly and played quite a bit in the Oilers top 4 d pairings last year. Your argument makes no sense. I'm not letting management off the hook for Yakupov. Buy it wasn't the current regime and Chiarelli wants to move on. Yak has been a non factor for too long. I wish him luck because he was excellent in the community. But to say that the Oilers are a black hole and then completely ignore the players who have been effectively developed makes no sense.
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The Blues have 4-5 really good D prospects. Why wouldn't EDM ask for one of them and retain salary instead of the low level prospect and a 3rd/2nd? Maybe they tried? It just seems like a terrible return imo. I was pretty jacked to hear it wasn't a good D prospect in return.
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That's embarrassing.
I am lol'ing at the assumption the Oilers are a better team now then they were a year ago.
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Larsson a top pairing blueliner. 
so a top LWer who they couldn't win with
a #1 bust pick
two "maybes" who haven't proven anything in the NHL yet, or in the NHL for that matter
for a top-pairing d-man
a 22 year old AHL defenseman
and a couple pick
yup..."fleeced"
I imagine they could have picked up a better prospect had retention been involved, but Chiarelli has so far refused to do that in any transaction he's made.
Part of it is due to projected bonuses, part of it was wanting cap room for the Russell deal, but I think a lot of his unwillingness to hold back money is to keep his options open into the first month of the season. There are still a number of high-profile RFA defensemen holding out and any one of them would look good in an Oilers jersey.
CantHaveTkachev
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Larsson a top pairing blueliner.
he played the 2nd most minutes on NJ last year...hence top paring
stats are fun and easy to find
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BK201
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so a top LWer who they couldn't win with
a #1 bust pick
two "maybes" who haven't proven anything in the NHL yet, or in the NHL for that matter
for a top-pairing d-man
a 22 year old AHL defenseman
and a couple pick
yup..."fleeced"
How is that Hall's fault? All he has been is statistically, by all accounts, a top 5 LW'er in the NHL......
And like it or not, if you packaged Barzal and Beauviller right now, that absolutely has more value than Reinhart ever will. Just because you draft them doesn't mean you have to play them. They can be trade chips. Barzal and Beauvillier have both increased their trade value substantially since being drafted. Reinhart is looking more and more like a bust.
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I mean, Yakupov also really sucked in Edmonton, so cutting your losses hardly negates any offense from the team. That 3rd round pick at this point is only slightly less likely to produce and succeed in Edmonton than Yakupov would have this season
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You can try to use hypotheticals as your basis for evaluation, but the fact of the matter is none of the three are NHL players yet. It is way too early to call. There's nothing wrong with waiting to see how it breaks down.
You said best players. That would imply you also meant Yak.
CantHaveTkachev
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Hall is a great winger and one of the best in the league (although always gets passed for Team Canada...hmmm) but he contributed a lot to the losing just like RNH, Eberle etc...
but trading Hall was the only way to get a legit defender...a MASSIVE need
as for the Reinhart trade, its awful but too early to say how bad it was...and he has made good deal like trading for Talbot and Maroon
Why do his highlights matter? Doesn't Marek Malik have one of the nicest shootout goals of all-time? What his skill level?
His ability to draw and evade defenders while he has the puck is actually one of his strengths. He should draw more penalties than he does, but he doesn't get the calls. He skates well, he shoots well, he passes well, he can hit and he's got intensity. It's a classic example of many tools, no toolbox at this point.
And the 'tap-in' theory is right if you consider one-timers 'tap-ins'.
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No they did good with Klefbom, but every other team already develops like that so its not that impressive that's all. They can have credit for Eberle and Draisiatl too but as much as LA gets for Doughty or blues for Tarasenko.
Davidson sounds like maybe moving in right direction.
What they have trouble doing is identifying junior player with assets they know how to develop and find a role for.
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You should add that Chia traded Hall knowing Lucic is going to sign, so Lucic+Larsson vs Hall, while few days earlier he had just drafted Pulju.
What does 1st overall mean with Yak when he's posting 20 points per season and looks lost 90% of the time?
He could have been waived now or lost for nothing next season. Russell can outscore Yak while playing defense.
Chia signed Caggiula for free who looks better than Yak, he stole Maroon, he also signed Benning who's close to being NHL ready blueliner.
I didn't like Chias last years in Boston, but I really can't blame him for Yak trade. Edmontons team looks miles better than it did 12 months ago, now and longterm. They traded a player who wanted out for something before losing him for nothing.
CantHaveTkachev
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and thats why he'll never be good in the NHL...the guy can't process the game quickly enough
Oilers needed to cut their losses and he's a bust...plain and simple
Why? Chiarelli also turned Ben Scrivens, Martin Gernat, a 4th rounder and 2 seconds into Talbot, Maroon and Kassian. That's the definition of asset management there, as all three players he acquired will play regular roles in the lineup this year. He's also managing his future assets well by ensuring Nurse, Reinhart and the other D prospects can develop properly by adding stopgaps like Russell.
Really the only contentious trade he owned from start to finish was the Hall/Larsson deal; I stress again that it is still much too early to determine how that shakes out, as neither player has even seen regular season action for their new clubs.
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Let's not forget his time before Oilers, like him trading Blake Wheeler for Rich Peverley.
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