Confirmed with Link: [EDM/NJD] Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson: Mod warning #191

[SPIRIT]

He is and it's not really close.

Yeah, no kidding. Let's be careful smashing our new #1 RHD into the ground, 'eh boys?

 

[ScrillaVilla]

Larsson w/ Greene: CF 49%
Larsson w/o Greene: CF 54%

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So your saying he has slightly better possession numbers when moved away from tougher comp...that makes me feel better.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

Gregor asking why Howson and the OBC still have jobs with the Oilers. Damn, I've given Gregor a lot of criticism over the last couple of years, but he's looking awesome today.

Excellent question.

 

[Samus44]

bahahahaha.... stopped reading after this

You really love a sheltered dman that much? He's Zidlicky 2.0, who i really liked in his prime. Vatanen is a good player but he can't play the kind of minutes Larsson will. I've never been a massive Vatanen fan.

 

[bombers15]

The only thing making me feel better is that it shouldn't be that difficult to replace Hall's offense. Like, it's possible. So maybe it's okay.

If an OEL or Doughty could be gotten for a winger, I think Chia would have done it. But wingers aren't that valuable.

It still doesn't seem like we got full value for that asset. But I guess it could work out. In theory.

 

[guymez]

I wont be surprised if Lucic is planning to sign here, also. Which is probably a reason why we had to pull the trigger so soon....

Lucic a done deal.
There is no way Chia makes the Hall trade without Lucic in his back pocket IMO. Thats partly why I didnt have an issue with acquiring a winger before trading for a dman. Chia did the same thing last year when he traded Gordon and then acquired Letestu the next day.

I just question the risk involved in targeting Larsson as the return for Hall.

 

[McPuritania]

And MTL laughs and hangs up the phone. If you were Bergevin would you do it?

Well Bergevin just traded PK for Weber, so who knows what he'll do.

 

[North]

NJ fan here.

You guys will love Larsson. I know it's hard to lose Hall and we're happy to have him but Larsson is a stud.

He played tougher minutes than Greene overall. Led the league in defensive zone starts and still managed great advanced stats.

With offense: I think he can put up 30 points as well. He didn't get any PP time in New Jersey because he was already playing 23 minutes a night and a ton on the PK.

Thank you for this info.

 

[Spawn]

An underrated horrible part of this trade is what we've just done to Draisaitl.

He goes from having support of one of the best wingers in the NHL to having one of Maroon or Pouliot? Good luck with that

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well Bergevin just traded PK for Weber, so who knows what he'll do.

Oh right we have lots of Webers lying around don't we?

 

[onetweasy]

Facts are facts and perceptions are perceptions. Regardless of why you think he shouldnt have been sent down he was, and didn't exactly light it up did he? He has 9 goals and 60 assists in almost 300 games. Cherry pick segments of stats lines all you want, he brings almost no offence to the table and ins't a good possession player. Taylor Hall was both of those things and then some. If he struggled on an ok devils team with ****** coaching, just imagine the train wreck he'll be on the light years ******** oilers team with infinitely ******** coaching.

The Reinhardt trade had me worried about Chiarelli's judgement, this confirms him as quite possibly the ********* oilers GM ever. Light years worse than Tambellini. At least we managed to retain our valuable assets with him.

Too many people on this site fall in love with "assets" - how about a team that can make the playoffs.

I am not sold on this trade but let the summer and next season play out. We cant be any worse.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

The only thing making me feel better is that it shouldn't be that difficult to replace Hall's offense. Like, it's possible. So maybe it's okay.

If an OEL or Doughty could be gotten for a winger, I think Chia would have done it. But wingers aren't that valuable.

It still doesn't seem like we got full value for that asset. But I guess it could work out. In theory.

NHL forwards, 2012-16, min 1,000 minutes, ranked by 5v5 PTS/60:
1. Sidney Crosby: 2.71
2. Jamie Benn: 2.54
3. Taylor Hall: 2.49

That is going to be VERY hard to replace, especially considering he did that without competent puck moving defensemen.

 

[SPIRIT]

This made me roll.

 

[PBandJ]

So ****ing awful.

Good luck Hallsy. Couldn't care less about the 18 point scrub coming back.

 

[McCombo]

bahahahaha.... stopped reading after this

Larsson is much much better overall player. Vatanen is better as PPQB and thats about it. Hope all you super negative guys are not onboard when the team starts winning.

 

[onetweasy]

bahahahaha.... stopped reading after this

He is a much better d-man.

 

[McJadeddog]

Seriously I have gone from liking Chia to knowing he is a idiot.

i had suspicions that he was an idiot after the reinhart trade last year, but was willing to overlook it... this trade is so egregious that i can no longer over look it... chia is an idiot, end of story, full stop

 

[NeverForget06]

Tough day to be an Oiler fan. I wish Hall nothing but the best. It sucks to see him go and I understand why he is insulted, he toughed out years of losing on this team for pretty much nothing. Larsson could be great. But could be is hard to settle for when you are trading a player like Hall.

 

[Samus44]

Don't forget that the perception that we have all this offensive talent is just garbage, one of the lowest scoring teams in the league year after year. Now we have McDavid and then crickets.

Eberle's ppg over the past 5 years is better than Hossa's and tied with Voracek and Tarasenko. Hopkins has scored at a rate over 50 points (some years much more) per 82 games ever year but one when he was at a 49 point pace with the bum shoulder. Draisaitl is a very good young player but i do think he relied on Hall quite a bit. Pouliot has been scoring at a +50 point pace per 82 games since he's been here. If we sign Lucic same thing +50 point player.

Losing Hall sucks and our offense has been overrated but make no mistake about it the biggest thing that's hurt us offensively, and i've been saying it for years, is that the D hasn't been good enough. We get pinned in our zone and you can't score from there, and we lack the type of D to headman the puck consistently and well not to mention D that can help in the offensive zone. If Puljujarvi comes as advertised and Lucic signs i really don't think we'll be any worse offensively but we will be a whole lot better defensively. Not to mention McDavid will be better and i'd bet Nuge will be too.

 

[North]

So ****ing awful.

Good luck Hallsy. Couldn't care less about the 18 point scrub coming back.

He's not a scrub.

 

[Kalost]

Larsson is much much better overall player. Vatanen is better as PPQB and thats about it. Hope all you super negative guys are not onboard when the team starts winning.

Larsson hasn't really had the chance to be a PPQB, we'll find out during the season i'm sure he gets PP time with us

 

[McNutty780]

It's a gamble for sure, but that's the business. Will Hall get over 90 points with NJ? Who knows? It's not like he was playing with offensive scrubs here. He's going to have who on his line Zajac? lol

We may as well start gambling on another table...let's hope this Larsson kid shows why he was considered the number 2 OA behind RNH at one point..

I hope McDavid doesn't have a sophmore slump. That's going to really hurt us

 

[Asher]

An underrated horrible part of this trade is what we've just done to Draisaitl.

He goes from having support of one of the best wingers in the NHL to having one of Maroon or Pouliot? Good luck with that

I think they have no choice but to put on the wing with RNH. I don't think Drai has proven himself to be a top 2 center yet.

 

[McPuritania]

Oh right we have lots of Webers lying around don't we?

Taylor Hall isn't some scrub.

Weber is declining, and his contract is freakin' brutal.

 

[McJadeddog]

you think he didnt know the market? RNH for Matt Dumba would have been tragic...also, don't lose perspective for one second that the head coach didnt have a say in this move..

RNH for dumba would have been a LOT better of a trade though