Ceci is not an all offense guy at all and Barrie fitting as well as he did and running the PP for under 5 million is too good to pass up. Should have gotten someone better than Ceci but that's easier said than done.
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Ceci is not an all offense guy at all and Barrie fitting as well as he did and running the PP for under 5 million is too good to pass up. Should have gotten someone better than Ceci but that's easier said than done.
Bryanbryoil
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Tell Adam that I said hi and that it is a real shame that he left, you know since you must know him very well to know what he thinks.
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Making Keith a priority to sign and protect and wanting Larsson to wait until after the expansion draft, it’s clear to see why Larsson soured on the organizationHe was offering Larsson the same amount either way. Why would Larsson want to leave after he got help on defense? Does he want the team to be worse
They didn't sign Keith. And why would Larsson sour if he wasn't protected lmfao. He's a UFA like just don't sign with Seattle sign the deal you hammered out that's on the table. Did Ovechkin sign with Seattle after being left unprotected? Landeskog?
Your random conjecture is making Larsson sound like some weird diva
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...Ceci is not an All Offense guy anymore because the NHL figured out that he just wasn't that good at it...he's still not good defensively and is basically a 3rd Pairing plug at this point in his career...there were FAR better defensive guys available and Holland just whiffed badly...
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Sign, trade for. Whatever. Being pushed to the side line while Holland focuses on someone else doesn’t make him a diva. It just showed him what Holland prioritized. But regardless this is a topic about Nurse
The problem with goaltending was that we needed to move Koskinens ugly contract. Teams wanted a 1st to do that plus he has a NTC. Chiarelli really f***ed us. It was hard to go for a good goalie because a) they might not want to come here and b) we needed to shed Koski
How is he pushed to the sideline. They agreed to a contract. Him being unprotected and just signing after lets them protect an extra player. Like what Ovechkin and Landeskog did. Does Larsson WANT Edmonton to lose a better player than they would otherwise? Does he not want his GM to improve the team? Is Edmonton supposed to put everything on pause while they wait for Adam Larsson to sign his name on a certain date? Does Alex Ovechkin pout because his GM was busy trading Brenden Dillon while working on his contract? Are people only allowed to work on one thing at a time in this completely arbitrary world of yours?
Who were the better guys available?
Ceci was decent in Pittsburgh in a limited role and was asked to play way over his head in Toronto and Ottawa as a top pairing D
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
Martinez
McCabe
Oleksiak
Murray
LARSSON
Hamonic
Savard
Vatanen
...I can go on...
BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...and that's what you focus on, a mistake in adding a player Seattle signed before UFA started...are you related to Holland, by chance??...
What would you have me focus on? Most of those guys were not coming to Edmonton without absolutely insane overpayment. Would you be fine giving Jake McCabe a couple million+ more than he got in Chicago coming off a completely torn knee and a career in an even more losing organization? How much do you pay 34 year old Martinez to leave Vegas when they're already paying 5.25 million per until he's 37.
The ones they had a realistic chance at, like Vatanen and Murray, aren't that different from Ceci at this point. Might as well lambast them for not signing Dougie Hamilton to 9 million per.
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I have nothing against Skinner, I just think comparing the risk of his signing to Nurse' is not fair and wanted to point that out.
If you never intended to, fair enough.
With respect to the price tag vs years, that was a big point I wanted to address in my post that I felt made the comparison unfair. Nurse is historically the kind of player that ages very well; I think of anything the deal looks better in year 4 than it does now. For one, typically defenseman age much better than forwards; speed is less important for defenceman than reads and structure, and while speed / explosiveness decline with age, typically reads, structure, positioning, and gap control improve with age. Furthermore, Nurse is the kind of athletic freak of nature that typically loses less over the years than the average guy. Nurse is one of the only guys in the league that I think is athletically gifted enough to have potentially been say an NFL back; only maybe Evander Kane, Ovechkin, Nathan Mackinnon, and maybe a prime Zdeno Chara really fit that bill. Historically I suppose you could add guys like Chelios, Messier, Howe, Lindros, Mario, and Pronger; with exception to Lindros due to head trauma, all of those guys aged incredibly well.
Nurse losing say 25% of his Speed and Strength also isn't near as crippling as a guy like Skinner losing that same margin. Nurse losing 25% of his athletic gifts due to age is still stronger and faster than the majority of the league. Meanwhile A guy like Skinner was already slower and weaker than the majority of the league. It doesn't really matter how much of a strength disparity there is, the stronger guy is going to win the battle; this is less the case for speed, but as stated above he's got elite footspeed / explosiveness as is and it's less important for defenders than forwards.
While there isn't an abundance of forwards that age well into their 30s, the The number of defenders I can name that aged well into their later years is almost too many to count; and it doesn't even just extend to elite guys, players like Andy Greene or even say Kris Russell are still equally as effective at 34/35 as they were at say 31/32 which is just comparatively not the case for forwards.
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BigDaddyLurch
Have some PRIDE, Eric...
...that's just a defeatist attitude, amigo; you try to sign better Defensive Dmen like Murray, Vatanen, whoever to compensate for the offensive ones like Nurse...try and build Balanced pairings...Holland's focus is on Win Now Offensive types without any thought to the defensive aspects of the game...you don't think other players want to play with two of the Top 5 players in the World??...if Edmonton would build a solid foundation, players will come...Edmonton may have been swept by the Jets, but three of those games they were literally one OT bounce away from winning and were, imo, the better team...instead, Holland wants to blow his load on an ancient Duncan Keith and Hyman, who's grit will help but that still won't help the Oil where they need it the most, in TEAM DEFENSE...and this year, the Pacific is a shyteshow, which should also help the Oilers but would have helped much more if more effort was put in by Holland to tighten up the ship defensively...
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You deserve either a 9M d-man that is worth that much money or hope that Nurse still has untapped potential, because as of now, it's ugly
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How is it a defeatist attitude rofl. Holland can't just put a gun to a player's head and force them to sign if they don't want to be there. You also have a classic case of grass is always greener syndrome - rose colored view of those players because they haven't played in Edmonton. For example he signed Barrie, who despite his issues is comfortably better than most of those players who are largely varying shades of Kris Russel. Keith even at his age is middle of the pack from that list while bringing an insane amount of pedigree. Savard was barely passable as a #4 all of last year until getting to coast to a cup as a #6 on the most stacked in recent history, yet he's gonna live up to whatever contract they'd need to offer him to skip out on his homecoming to Montreal? Come on. Only one who'd really move the needle from that group is Martinez and you do the math on what kind of contract he'd need to come to Edmonton.
Ceci is not a sexy signing, but he can probably fill in capably as a stopgap until Bouchard/Broberg find their footing so long as he's treated as a #4. If they roll Nurse-Barrie/Keith-Bouchard and rely on Ceci for PK and whatever minutes are left over he shouldn't be worse than he was in Pittsburgh. Though they should have done something like explore a trade for Troy Stetcher instead but that would have costs associated with it as well.
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What a nonsense thing to say. McDavid is probably out celebrating with Darnell tonight. Him, Draisatl and Nurse are very tight.
You barely watch Oilers hockey so you don't really know much about Nurse which is fair. I've watched Nurse since his draft year and, year after year, I've seen progression. It hasn't stopped in the NHL and he's only gotten better and better. He hasn't reached his peak yet.
The Leon contract was ugly too once. The Jones and Werenski contracts are ugly as well
I think so. Somewhere around $9M on open market. That would be too much, but that's UFA.
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